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nzkiwiguy	Post subject: Posted: Tue Jul 06, 2004 7:41 pm
Joined: Tue Jan 13, 2004 10:18 pm Posts: 360 Location: Colorado	No it's a walser! Check this thread I just read as well http://weightweenies.starbike.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=2470&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=15
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Weenie	Post subject: Posted: Tue Jul 06, 2004 7:41 pm
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asphaltdude	Post subject: Posted: Tue Jul 06, 2004 8:06 pm
Joined: Tue Aug 12, 2003 8:39 pm Posts: 1234 Location: Holland	Positively sure Jan was riding a Walser! In a Eurosport preview Jan's mechanician showed a Giant (with sloping top tube!) to the camera's saying is was Jan's TT bike, but Jan actually rode his Walser _________________ Whow! That's a pretty damn nice garage door!
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nzkiwiguy	Post subject: Posted: Tue Jul 06, 2004 8:21 pm
Joined: Tue Jan 13, 2004 10:18 pm Posts: 360 Location: Colorado	easy way to identify the bikes. Jan's Giant has the front brake behind the fork, the Walser doesn't Attachments: File comment: giant TT not walser ulle_tt.jpg [ 75.37 KiB | Viewed 694 times ]
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Samu Ilonen	Post subject: Posted: Tue Jul 06, 2004 9:12 pm
Joined: Thu May 27, 2004 7:13 am Posts: 2169 Location: Finland	That is not Walser. Seat post etc. _________________ Samu @ www.signature.fi
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Trek/VW	Post subject: Posted: Tue Jul 06, 2004 9:40 pm
Joined: Wed Mar 17, 2004 8:22 pm Posts: 109	But you need to use a Walser rear wheel on Walser frames (narrower than other frames). Jan used a Xentis wheel in the prologue. Can someone explain this?
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asphaltdude	Post subject: Posted: Tue Jul 06, 2004 9:49 pm
Joined: Tue Aug 12, 2003 8:39 pm Posts: 1234 Location: Holland	nzkiwiguy wrote: easy way to identify the bikes. Jan's Giant has the front brake behind the fork, the Walser doesn't The bike on this pic is defintely a Giant, but in the prologue Jan was riding an other bike This photo was taken at the prologue.... Damn i can't find a really good picture... BUT HE WAS RIDING HIS WALSER! BELIEVE ME! I SAW IT LIVE ON TV! A WALSER! WITH THE TYPICAL AERODYNAMIC SEATPOST AND HORIZONTAL TOP TUBE! Sorry... I need a holiday... _________________ Whow! That's a pretty damn nice garage door! Last edited by asphaltdude on Tue Jul 06, 2004 9:53 pm, edited 1 time in total.
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Joel	Post subject: Posted: Tue Jul 06, 2004 9:50 pm
Joined: Fri Jun 13, 2003 1:43 pm Posts: 751 Location: Belgium	The pic above: Giant. Differences; front brake and head tube. This is the easiest way to identify them
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asphaltdude	Post subject: Posted: Tue Jul 06, 2004 9:59 pm
Joined: Tue Aug 12, 2003 8:39 pm Posts: 1234 Location: Holland	http://www.t-mobile-team.com/cms/tmotea ... l?id=25078 http://www.t-mobile-team.com/cms/tmotea ... l?id=25154 Walser _________________ Whow! That's a pretty damn nice garage door!
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danielgillett	Post subject: Posted: Tue Jul 06, 2004 10:03 pm
	NZKiwiGuy, the picture of Jan racing that you posted isn't of him at the Tour de France, because Jan raced with a 4 spoke rear wheel. Also, it is a walser handlebar, as you can tell by the Carbon Brake lever, compared to the aluminium one on his giant. The Giant also has a silver stem - The Walser that Jan raced didn't. But, as it has already been pointed out... The brake is on the front of the fork.
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asphaltdude	Post subject: Posted: Tue Jul 06, 2004 10:07 pm
Joined: Tue Aug 12, 2003 8:39 pm Posts: 1234 Location: Holland	By the way what kind of front brake is he using here... maybe a dark anodized Dura Ace No serious.... could it be a Zero Gravity???? _________________ Whow! That's a pretty damn nice garage door!
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Mile Ditch	Post subject: Posted: Tue Jul 06, 2004 10:21 pm
Joined: Wed Apr 28, 2004 10:24 pm Posts: 329 Location: UK	asphaltdude wrote: By the way what kind of front brake is he using here... maybe a dark anodized Dura Ace No serious.... could it be a Zero Gravity???? I know the ONCE ones were made by Tektro of all people (seriously). It's like a BMX u-brake and bolts on to two bosses on the forks. Last edited by Mile Ditch on Tue Jul 06, 2004 10:27 pm, edited 1 time in total.
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asphaltdude	Post subject: Posted: Tue Jul 06, 2004 10:23 pm
Joined: Tue Aug 12, 2003 8:39 pm Posts: 1234 Location: Holland	Another pic of this strange front brake.... _________________ Whow! That's a pretty damn nice garage door!
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asphaltdude	Post subject: Posted: Tue Jul 06, 2004 10:34 pm
Joined: Tue Aug 12, 2003 8:39 pm Posts: 1234 Location: Holland	We're not the only ones talking about Jan's bike.... http://www.dk-forenserver.de/tour/archi ... 26033.html _________________ Whow! That's a pretty damn nice garage door!
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danielgillett	Post subject: Posted: Tue Jul 06, 2004 11:15 pm
	I have yet another "break through"... The Giant's frame has an integrated head set... The Walser has a conventional, "external" headset.
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Weenie	Post subject: Posted: Tue Jul 06, 2004 11:15 pm
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nzkiwiguy	Post subject: Posted: Wed Jul 07, 2004 1:13 am
Joined: Tue Jan 13, 2004 10:18 pm Posts: 360 Location: Colorado	Guys, I posted the picture to show the brake behind the fork (i.e it's the giant). I KNOW IT'S NOT A WALSER. Hence why I posted it. As he was not riding it in the TDF, I could not show a picture of it there Any other proof of "re badging" in the TDF
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