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PostPosted: Wed Jun 30, 2004 10:50 am 
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Frame: Quantec Race SL: 1400 gram: €230
Group: Centaur w chorus shifters: 3360 gram: €600
Fork: Kuota K32: 395 gram: €295
Headset: Ritchey WCS: 97 gram: with the fork
Bar: Ritchey WCS OS: 200 gram: €60
Stem: Ritchey WCS OS: 110 gram: €58
Seatpost: Ritchey WCS: 190 gram: €55
Seat: Selle Italia SLR 135 gram: €69
Hubs: FRM FL-R PRO 315 gram: €264
Skewers: FRM 70 gram: with the hubs
Rims: AMClassic 350 720 gram: €116
Spokes: Dt Revo's 28-28 270 gram: € a few euro's
Pedals: PD-M 747 until the new ritchey wcs road pedals are avaible.
200 gram: €???
Bottlecage: Tacx TOA 78 gram: €18
Clinchers: Conti GP 3000 420 gram: €42
Inner Tubes: Vittoria ultra light: 120 gram: €4

The weight of the bike will be 8.3 kilogram, very stiff and cost me less then €1800.
Can you give me advise which parts have to be changed in other lighter ones. I can't spend much more then €1800.


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PostPosted: Wed Jun 30, 2004 1:05 pm 
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hello,

some details to your list.

- the ritchey parts have a higher weight, you will see them in the listings here.
- grand prix3000 aren't very light.
- the kuota fork is also heavier, about 430 gr.

you have forgotten rim tape, grip, nipples, bolts for bottle cages and cables in your list.

ciao piero


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PostPosted: Wed Jun 30, 2004 1:29 pm 
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AMclassic-fan wrote:
Can you give me advise which parts have to be changed in other lighter ones. I can't spend much more then €1800.


If you can, why not?!?

8.3 kilo for a race bike is a LOT! My mtb project is only 0.5 kilo heavier
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BTW good luck on buying WCS stuff. The only thing I hear about it is that it is really hard to get.

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It's going to be hard to lose much weight and stay in the budget but you could try a few things -

Crankset - FSA Superlight with American Classic or FRM BB. The campy aluminum cranksets are the most obese parts they make. Even the standard Team Issue FSA should be quite a bit lighter.

Headset - the ritchey weighs without the cap and bolt, campy apparently doesn't because when I switched to a chorus headset from the WCS (to get a lower stack height) it was 10g+ lighter.

Seatpost - American classic aluminum is cheap and lighter.

Saddle - cheapest would be an ebay flite with the cover removed.

Pedals - Speedplay x/2 is not too much or X/1 on ebay or elsewhere if you can get a decent price.

Bottle cages - can't think of any cheap alternatives but they are heavy.

Hubs - American Classic. Might be able to get a better price if you just get the wheels prebuilt from AC too.

If you aren't biased against single pivot brakes some dia compes would cut another big chunk off too.


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PostPosted: Wed Jun 30, 2004 6:59 pm 
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BTW good luck on buying WCS stuff. The only thing I hear about it is that it is really hard to get.


There is always plenty on ebay.

Th eonly thing I have never seen for sale is their carbon wheelset


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PostPosted: Thu Jul 01, 2004 9:45 am 
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BTW good luck on buying WCS stuff. The only thing I hear about it is that it is really hard to get.

Absolutely no problem here, just go to the shop and buy it.


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PostPosted: Thu Jul 01, 2004 12:41 pm 
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The WCS is stuff isn't a problem in the Netherlans. I have found cheaper hubs: FRM Feather + team. So I save 40 grams and €100. Where can I spent this €100 as best?


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PostPosted: Thu Jul 01, 2004 1:28 pm 
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I think the cranckset/BB combi will be the best place to save weight
Chorus BB + crankset: +80 euro -70gram and much better BB quality
Seatpost (if in-line is possible): FRM ST-M11 +5 euro -10 gram (if cut)


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PostPosted: Thu Jul 01, 2004 2:09 pm 
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Frame 1400 230 €
Fork Carbotech M 24 350 166 €
Wheels AC Sprint 350 1360 640 €
Tyres Conti supersonic 280 18 €
Inner tyres Conti supersonic 100 68 €
Skewers AC 100
Cranck arms Ultegra 643 131 €
Bottom bracket DA Octalink 173 51 €
Ergopowers Xenon 357 55 €
Shift housings Campagnolo 140
Brake housings Campagnolo
Inner cables Campagnolo
Cable guide plate Campagnolo plastic 7
Front derailleur Veloce 93 26 €
Rear derailleur Xenon 232 13 €
Cassette Mirage 231
Chain Record C9 300 17 €
Brakes FRM 235 180 €
Saddle SLR 135 65 €
Seatpost Heylight HS II Superlight 130 115 €
Seatpost clamp Extralite TheClamp 12 18 €
Pedals Cranckbrothers 185 90 €
Headset Record Hiddenset 73 55 €
A-headset spacers Carbon
Stem Syntace F99 107 75 €
Handlebar 3TTT Prima 199 199 61 €
Handlebar tape 7 40 €
Bottle cages Tackx Tao 68 30 €
6917 2.144 €
This is real light, but a bit too expensive, get a good deal on a pair 2nd hand Ksyrium SL or something and you can have the bike for 1800 euro and 7200g
All prices are from Shockbike and Gypzybikz, the site sponsor


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