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PostPosted: Thu Jun 24, 2004 4:07 pm 
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Does anybody know anything about them?

1. Real weight?
2. Who makes the rims?
3. Are Velomax hubs good?

Thank you.
Benz.


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benz76 wrote:
Does anybody know anything about them?

1. Real weight?
2. Who makes the rims?
3. Are Velomax hubs good?

Thank you.
Benz.


Maclean Composities/Reynolds makes the rims. I've heard of problems with Velomax hubs, but not many, mainly since they switched hub manufacturer.

Why not buy something Italian? You have so many choices there in your own country.

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I like Campy wheels very much...

Apart from Campy wheels, which are real factory wheels, it seems to me that other italian wheels are not as well designed as US wheels.
I mean, US wheels seem to born under a single project, while italian wheels seem to be an assembly of rim+hubs+spokes.

And don't forget that I pay less for a couple of AC (e.g.) here in Italy than you in US !!!!

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benz76 wrote:
I like Campy wheels very much...

Apart from Campy wheels, which are real factory wheels, it seems to me that other italian wheels are not as well designed as US wheels.
I mean, US wheels seem to born under a single project, while italian wheels seem to be an assembly of rim+hubs+spokes.

And don't forget that I pay less for a couple of AC (e.g.) here in Italy than you in US !!!!

Benz.


Even Campy just gets spokes from Sapim (nothing wrong with that) and picks the model used based on the wheel and it's position (both of the model and where the spoke is used in the wheel - bigger on the cassette side). Velomax get their spokes from Wheelsmith and CN Spoke (Taiwan) without the different guages depending on the placement. In Italy I think it's because the other larger wheel companies make rims first, so they work from that inwards (FiR and Ambrosio) and don't make their own hubs but rebadge existing products. The smaller innovative hub guys spend all their production to make the hubs, so they go to special rim manufacturers - it's expensive for machinery to make rims. But I think it's better, because they choose parts to combine with their hubs into wheels with freedom, and it's harder to make a good hub. If they choose parts correctly, the final product is as good as any competitors, and they can even custom design something for you. Velomax just started as a spoke/hub interface design, and moved from there. They outsource the hubs and pick rims from different manufacturers to suit based upon the wheel model they wish to create, I don't think there is any big difference to what the smaller Italian guys do, except in Italy there is more rim choices and knowledge.

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You're right Ye Olde...
I've never thought on that from this point of view... and you're right.

So... which Italian wheelset do you suggest me in order to "replace" Ascent II, Corima Winiums or 202 Zipps?

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benz76 wrote:
You're right Ye Olde...
I've never thought on that from this point of view... and you're right.

So... which Italian wheelset do you suggest me in order to "replace" Ascent II, Corima Winiums or 202 Zipps?

Thank you!
Benz.


I would have a pair of Winium built with hubs by Spada, FRM or Extralite. The Corima hubs are very heavy. CX-Ray spokes. I actually will own a pair of wheels like this soon, with the new Spada rear hub, CX spokes on the cassette side (otherwise CX-Ray), carbon front axle and ceramic hybrid bearings.

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How much will they weigh? Can they get much lighter than the existing ones with the Spada hubs?


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How much will they weigh? Can they get much lighter than the existing ones with the Spada hubs?


Somewhere about 940-1000g. Not sure until they are finally built!

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velomax was actually recently purchased by Easton. So hopefully the wheels will now meet Easton's quality control standards.


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Easton has a history of failed MTB handlebars. ;)


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I've never seen a failed easton HB, and this is the first I've ever heard about it. Not saying it hasn't happened, but there are a lot of other product failures that I have personally seen.


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I've seen the aftermath of a snapped Easton MTB handlebar, including the stitches where they had to close the hole the bar put into my friend's forearm. He had a real fun ride down the rest of trail bleeding everywhere and with only the left side of his bar still attached.


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Its the first time I've heard of an Easton product breaking.

But I'm sure some must.


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I've also never seen a broken Easton product... And I have worked in 2 shops that sells them...

I have 2 of their carbon bars myself...


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@ Ye Olde:
Aren't Winums rims a bit on the heavish side for WW like us? Comparing them to Zipp 202 or 280, I mean... :wink:

I know that Corima's rims have excellent overall quality (durability, reliabilty, stopping power), but Winium rims are not so light...
IMO it would be very difficult to go below 1100 grams with a pair of them.

What do you think of other Italian wheels? (e.g. Fir Ronda Corsa, Fir Flay)

Bye, Benz.


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