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PostPosted: Sat Sep 23, 2017 2:10 pm 
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zappafile123 wrote:
Bam! thanks for backin me up Stang1


I know you love it, and so do I. C60 is great all day bike but the XR4,is hot knife through butter


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PostPosted: Sun Sep 24, 2017 8:45 am 
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stang1 wrote:
Having had both C60 in a 50s and a XR4 in a size 53 .. it really depends on what you want.

I rode both C60 and XR4 extensively and if you wanted a do it all everyday comfortable ride, the c60 is the bike to go. It really is just all round comfort and a joy to ride. The XR4 however, is a different bike. Its fast, wants to go fast, you can push it to your limits and it'll still as for more. I put it as a bike on a rail gun. Lightning fast , but comfortable at the same time.

I must admit that if i were to take it for a fast spin, the XR4 will be a choice over the c60. If it was a grand fondo event, definitely the c60 over. Either are great bikes, but horses for courses.



This is valuable opinion. Do u have the same wheelset on both bikes? (And tires)

And wondering since im riding C60 in 50s size, and did not buy Bianchi (Specialiissima) in that time (Specialissima in LBS, to buy C60 i had to go to Italy) since 55 was big for me, and 53 like too small (Bianchi suggested 55, and had a chance to test ride Oltre XR2 in 55).

And i feel it big a little bit. Also my fitter thought that i'll need 105 mm stem if i go for 55 and the reach is long if i go for 110.

And if i went for 53 i'll have to u use 30mm of spacers, so his opionion was that in that case front end wont be stiff enough.


Im wondering how many spacers u have under the stem of C60 and same question for Bianchi? Which headset cup u use on C60? Big or small? And what kind of stem?

And what is height and leg inseam? Im 175 cm, 82 leg inseam, using 110mm stem -7 deg, saddle height is 72.7 cm from the bottom bracket, and setback 52mm. Fort to add in this moment under the stem i have 12mm spacers, and using big headset cup.

Thanks


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PostPosted: Sun Sep 24, 2017 10:29 am 
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@3Pio

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Ive swapped both wheelsets between each and I still found the characteristics mentioned the same . Im 178cm, asian Long torso short legs, 74cm bb to saddle and kept both bike stack and reach as close as I could. The size 53 XR4 is plenty stiff as it is with my setup. In terms of responsiveness from the BB area, the XR4 is the better of both bikes in my instance. Whilst I wouldnt hesitate to take the XR4 out for a Grand Fondo, but the c60 will be a better choice.


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PostPosted: Sun Sep 24, 2017 10:36 am 
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stang1 wrote:
@3Pio

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Ive swapped both wheelsets between each and I still found the characteristics mentioned the same . Im 178cm, asian Long torso short legs, 74cm bb to saddle and kept both bike stack and reach as close as I could. The size 53 XR4 is plenty stiff as it is with my setup. In terms of responsiveness from the BB area, the XR4 is the better of both bikes in my instance. Whilst I wouldnt hesitate to take the XR4 out for a Grand Fondo, but the c60 will be a better choice.


Wonderfull bikes u have..Lucky u :)

And nice pictures as well.. But still can not find out exact numbers i like to know?

So please tell me ur inseam. For 74 cm bb to saddle dont look that u have that short legs (my inseam is 82.5 and i have 72.7 bb to saddle with 52 mm setback). What are u numbers about this?

I can see on C60 u use big headset cup and seem like 5 mm spacer under the stem.. Is this 120mm stem or 110?

And pls tell me stem size and spacers for Oltre XR4.. Thanks

And last question..Which one u found better for climbing. Let's say some very steep and long hill, not short hills? (10-15 km, average grade more then 7%)

And if u need to have only one of those bikes, which from those two ull choose to keep?


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PostPosted: Sun Sep 24, 2017 10:43 am 
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@3Pio

I cant give you an inseam numericals cause I wouldnt know how to measure it, this is based on my bike fit.
The C60 has a 110mm stem whereas the XR4 has a 120 stem.
I feel a little more compact on the XR4 than the C60 but it isnt absolutely discomforting.

If I had to choose one (Which I did), I kept the XR4 as it was just all day fun.


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PostPosted: Sun Sep 24, 2017 10:54 am 
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stang1 wrote:
@3Pio

I cant give you an inseam numericals cause I wouldnt know how to measure it, this is based on my bike fit.
The C60 has a 110mm stem whereas the XR4 has a 120 stem.
I feel a little more compact on the XR4 than the C60 but it isnt absolutely discomforting.

If I had to choose one (Which I did), I kept the XR4 as it was just all day fun.


I guess when u was doing bike fit they measure ur inseam. And if it's Rettul fitting u done, please post ur measurements (if u like i can post mine as well).

But u can measure it this way:

Get a book, put it between ur legs. Press it like is simulating the pressure from the saddle, and measure it. Like on this picture:

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And please tell me maybe the most important thing that i like to know. How many spacers u have under the stem of Bianchi Oltre XR4 and C60?

Is it 25mm for XR4 and 5mm for C60? And which front end u found stiffer? C60 or XR4?


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PostPosted: Sun Sep 24, 2017 11:00 am 
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@3Pio

My Bike Fit is not via retul, but to answer your most important question, its 30mm under the XR4.


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PostPosted: Sun Sep 24, 2017 11:03 am 
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stang1 wrote:
@3Pio

My Bike Fit is not via retul, but to answer your most important question, its 30mm under the XR4.


Thanks :) I edited my last post, so guess u did not see it.

Is it 5mm spacers under the stem of c60 (with big cup headset)

And which front end u found stiffer ? C60 or XR4? (my fitter thought that if i go 30mm spacers under the stem of Specialissima 53, front end wont be stiff enough, so that why im asking this and that why it's important to me). Thanks again and this is my last question here..


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PostPosted: Tue Sep 26, 2017 1:05 pm 
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Are those 4.5 on the XR4?

stang1 wrote:
@3Pio

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Ive swapped both wheelsets between each and I still found the characteristics mentioned the same . Im 178cm, asian Long torso short legs, 74cm bb to saddle and kept both bike stack and reach as close as I could. The size 53 XR4 is plenty stiff as it is with my setup. In terms of responsiveness from the BB area, the XR4 is the better of both bikes in my instance. Whilst I wouldnt hesitate to take the XR4 out for a Grand Fondo, but the c60 will be a better choice.


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PostPosted: Thu Sep 28, 2017 2:15 pm 
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3Pio wrote:
stang1 wrote:
@3Pio

My Bike Fit is not via retul, but to answer your most important question, its 30mm under the XR4.


Thanks :) I edited my last post, so guess u did not see it.

Is it 5mm spacers under the stem of c60 (with big cup headset)

And which front end u found stiffer ? C60 or XR4? (my fitter thought that if i go 30mm spacers under the stem of Specialissima 53, front end wont be stiff enough, so that why im asking this and that why it's important to me). Thanks again and this is my last question here..


Yes, its a 5mm spacer.

The XR4 is shaper for cornerings but i feel that if i were to pedal hard out of corners, the xr4 is better than the C60.


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PostPosted: Thu Sep 28, 2017 2:16 pm 
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moyboy wrote:
Are those 4.5 on the XR4?

stang1 wrote:
@3Pio

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Ive swapped both wheelsets between each and I still found the characteristics mentioned the same . Im 178cm, asian Long torso short legs, 74cm bb to saddle and kept both bike stack and reach as close as I could. The size 53 XR4 is plenty stiff as it is with my setup. In terms of responsiveness from the BB area, the XR4 is the better of both bikes in my instance. Whilst I wouldnt hesitate to take the XR4 out for a Grand Fondo, but the c60 will be a better choice.


yes, enve 4.5s


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PostPosted: Thu Sep 28, 2017 2:42 pm 
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3Pio wrote:
stang1 wrote:
@3Pio



Ive swapped both wheelsets between each and I still found the characteristics mentioned the same . Im 178cm, asian Long torso short legs, 74cm bb to saddle and kept both bike stack and reach as close as I could. The size 53 XR4 is plenty stiff as it is with my setup. In terms of responsiveness from the BB area, the XR4 is the better of both bikes in my instance. Whilst I wouldnt hesitate to take the XR4 out for a Grand Fondo, but the c60 will be a better choice.


Wonderfull bikes u have..Lucky u :)

And nice pictures as well.. But still can not find out exact numbers i like to know?

So please tell me ur inseam. For 74 cm bb to saddle dont look that u have that short legs (my inseam is 82.5 and i have 72.7 bb to saddle with 52 mm setback). What are u numbers about this?

I can see on C60 u use big headset cup and seem like 5 mm spacer under the stem.. Is this 120mm stem or 110?

And pls tell me stem size and spacers for Oltre XR4.. Thanks

And last question..Which one u found better for climbing. Let's say some very steep and long hill, not short hills? (10-15 km, average grade more then 7%)

And if u need to have only one of those bikes, which from those two ull choose to keep?



I was going to say that's not a short legs for that height, we are the same height and my bb to saddle is 71cm or 28" and I'm Asian too :D

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