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PostPosted: Mon Aug 28, 2017 9:34 am 
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I'm so confused. I'm looking to get a new bike after a car accident. $5-10k is fine. But, what in the world to get? I like the new Specialized tarmac coming out. Anything contending with it? Disc is giving me headaches.


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PostPosted: Mon Aug 28, 2017 9:59 am 
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My Emonda Disc is sitting at 15lbs 14oz, though I could get it down to 15. Beyond that requires some superlight components.

Lighter tubeless tires (-3oz total)
1oz of sealant per tire instead of 1.5oz (-1oz total)
Switch from ENVE SES 5.6 Disc with White CLD hubs to 3.4s with DT Swiss 240S hubs (-4oz)
Bontrager XXX integrated bar/stem (-3.5oz)
Lizard Skins DSP 1.8mm vs 3.2mm (-.5oz)
Bontrager XXX saddle (-2oz)
Lighter PM than Garmin Vectors (-2oz)


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PostPosted: Mon Aug 28, 2017 11:36 am 
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Canyon Ultimate SLX is going to be the closest thing to the new Tarmac (semi aero, lightweight) available in disc that I can think of. I think with any of them you are going to need some exotic parts to get below 15lbs.


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PostPosted: Mon Aug 28, 2017 12:55 pm 
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Still quite difficult with standard parts. I am struggling for the same reason, starting from a suitable lightweight, aero , tubeless, wide wheelset.

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PostPosted: Mon Aug 28, 2017 2:47 pm 
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if 36mm U shape is aero enough for you:
~1430g Nox Falkor 36D (415g) with DT240
http://www.noxcomposites.com/falkor36d

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PostPosted: Mon Aug 28, 2017 3:26 pm 
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ooo wrote:
if 36mm U shape is aero enough for you:
~1430g Nox Falkor 36D (415g) with DT240
http://www.noxcomposites.com/falkor36d


Roval clx 32 clincher is a verified 1360gr incl Schwalbe rim tape :wink:

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PostPosted: Mon Aug 28, 2017 3:34 pm 
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https://www.huntbikewheels.com/collections/road-disc-wheels/products/hunt-50carbon-aero-disc-road-wheelset-1438g-50deep-27wide-24spoke-999-pre-order-jan-wk3

Depends of course on the definition of lightweight and aero.

http://road.cc/content/review/226956-roval-clx-50-disc-wheels

A little fancier.

https://www.bike24.com/1.php?content=8;product=209246;menu=1000,4,123,30;page=76

A lot fancier and tubular.

If you're about weight per dollar. Rose has either the X-lite CWX or the X-lite CDX at 6,95kg. So thats 15lbs and 5oz.
That's with weight to save on saddle, handlebar, stem and on wheels. As well as plenty of budget to do so.
Then again, you'd be missing out on that superbike cool factor, that an S-works or even Canyon can get you :).


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PostPosted: Mon Aug 28, 2017 5:37 pm 
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morganb wrote:
Canyon Ultimate SLX is going to be the closest thing to the new Tarmac (semi aero, lightweight) available in disc that I can think of. I think with any of them you are going to need some exotic parts to get below 15lbs.


See my sig :wink: The current weight of the Endurace is 6.9 kg, incl garmin 520, so ready to ride. Not a single exotic part on it, and still on the R785 shifters, but all the small things add up (rim tape, innertubes, bar tape, bolts, Superlogic finishing kit, Ti spindles etc) If Scott respects his promise toward my dealer, the Endurace will be replaced by a 2018 addict rc premium disc within 4 weeks. In the end, I will only keep frameset and the 9170 groupset, all the other components will be swapped between the Scott and the Endurace. Target is something like 6,6kg. The Endurce will be sold with the donor parts off the Addict.

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PostPosted: Tue Aug 29, 2017 12:27 am 
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When I was toying with the idea of building a "do it all" bike, I put together a spreadsheet for an Eriksen build. This might be helpful to see the different weights that go into a disc build. I'm missing hydraulic fluid from this build. Also, I probably would be a little more conservative with the wheels and use Tune Mig70/Mag170 hubs instead of Extralite.

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For reference, a 3T Strada would drop 50g on the uncut fork and 522g on the frame, which would put you in a respectable 6.5kg range.

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PostPosted: Tue Aug 29, 2017 1:12 am 
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I'm in the same position. I can achieve what you want but with DIY build with a workswell r081 frame. 6.5-7.0kg. Aero, disc frame.

For branded choices you will have to settle for aeroish bikes like emonda disc. The only aero disc I know is the aeroad and that thing is heavy.

Disc and aero both have weight penalties.

Giant is releasing their new propel disc soon. You might want to check it out. Also not to forget comfort with such a lovely allrounder. How about a trek domane disc? There you got comfort for a small weight penalty. That is maybe the last bike you'll ever need.

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PostPosted: Tue Aug 29, 2017 2:14 am 
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Except for the S3 Disc, Pinarello F10 Disc and 3T Strada Disc.

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The Ex's. LS Siena: 6.21kg | Parlee Z5 SLi: 5.9kg | LS Xicon: 5.76kg | C59: 5.7kg | Cervelo R5ca: 5.09kg | Fuji Altamira SE - 6.2kg | Scott Foil - 6.2kg | Evo - 5.18kg | LS Classic - 6.7kg


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PostPosted: Tue Aug 29, 2017 6:21 am 
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RyanH wrote:
Except for the S3 Disc, Pinarello F10 Disc and 3T Strada Disc.


Ahh yes the S3 disc. How could I forget. :D Heavy but real nice looking.

What about the F10 disc and 3t strada disc. Hows the weight? Are they real aero bikes or another emonda type? For the F10 I'm guessing yes... but the weight?

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Edit: Wow. Found this that claims the F10 disc frame is 820gr. Could this be possible or do you call BS?

    Features:
    Frame: Torayca T1100 1K high tensile / high modulus carbon
    Fork: Pinarello Onda F10 w/ aero tabs
    Rear Stay: Carbon
    Fork Axle: 12mm Thru x 100mm
    Steerer Tube: 1 1/8” - 1 1/2”
    Headset Included: Yes, Pinarello drop-in
    Bottom Bracket Type: 70mm | Italian threaded
    Cable Routing: Internal, electronic or mechanical compatible
    Front Derailleur Mount: Braze-on
    Front Derailleur Pull Type: Bottom pull
    Front Derailleur Swing Type: Bottom swing
    Wheel Size: 700c
    Max Tire Clearance: 25mm
    Brake Type: Disc
    Seatpost Diameter: Aero
    Seatpost Included: Yes, Pinarello carbon
    Seat Collar Included: Yes, Twin Force closure
    Rear Axle: 12mm Thru x 142mm
    Sizes: 44cm | 46.5cm | 47cm | 50cm | 51.5cm | 53cm | 54cm | 55cm | 56cm | 57.5cm | 59.5cm | 62cm |
    Colors: 917 BoB, 920 Team Sky, 918 Red Magma (special order), 916 Black Lava (special order), MyWay (custom color)
    Weight: 820g | 1.81lbs


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PostPosted: Wed Sep 27, 2017 3:51 am 
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alcatraz wrote:
RyanH wrote:
Except for the S3 Disc, Pinarello F10 Disc and 3T Strada Disc.


Ahh yes the S3 disc. How could I forget. :D Heavy but real nice looking.

What about the F10 disc and 3t strada disc. Hows the weight? Are they real aero bikes or another emonda type? For the F10 I'm guessing yes... but the weight?

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Edit: Wow. Found this that claims the F10 disc frame is 820gr. Could this be possible or do you call BS?

    Features:
    Frame: Torayca T1100 1K high tensile / high modulus carbon
    Fork: Pinarello Onda F10 w/ aero tabs
    Rear Stay: Carbon
    Fork Axle: 12mm Thru x 100mm
    Steerer Tube: 1 1/8” - 1 1/2”
    Headset Included: Yes, Pinarello drop-in
    Bottom Bracket Type: 70mm | Italian threaded
    Cable Routing: Internal, electronic or mechanical compatible
    Front Derailleur Mount: Braze-on
    Front Derailleur Pull Type: Bottom pull
    Front Derailleur Swing Type: Bottom swing
    Wheel Size: 700c
    Max Tire Clearance: 25mm
    Brake Type: Disc
    Seatpost Diameter: Aero
    Seatpost Included: Yes, Pinarello carbon
    Seat Collar Included: Yes, Twin Force closure
    Rear Axle: 12mm Thru x 142mm
    Sizes: 44cm | 46.5cm | 47cm | 50cm | 51.5cm | 53cm | 54cm | 55cm | 56cm | 57.5cm | 59.5cm | 62cm |
    Colors: 917 BoB, 920 Team Sky, 918 Red Magma (special order), 916 Black Lava (special order), MyWay (custom color)
    Weight: 820g | 1.81lbs


I have a 3T STRADA in size Large with the full aero treatment (3T Discus C60 LTD wheels, ARX LTD stem, Aeronova LTD bars, Panaracer Gravel King 26c tires, cages, THM Clavicula SE crankset w/ 52t Wolf Tooth ring Dura ACE ST-9170, XTR RDM9070, XTR 11-40t, Speedplay ti pedals. It is 15.2 pounds. I also have an EXPLORO using lighter 35mm wheels, Force 1x and it is 15.7 pounds. Sub 15# is just a wheel swap away and sub 14 pounds with superlight exotic bits.

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PostPosted: Wed Sep 27, 2017 10:00 pm 
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Not pure aero, but the new Cervelo R5d is somewhat aero, and could probably be easily gotten down to <6.8 kg.


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PostPosted: Thu Sep 28, 2017 1:16 pm 
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How wide is the GravelKing 26mm when mounted?


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