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PostPosted: Mon Aug 07, 2017 3:56 am 
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bought the Look 585 (15.5 lbs fully built up) about 11 years ago. got an advance on a 2007 model. Little did i realize at the time what i had scored.
Rode it exclusively up until 2014, when i got a ridley damocles on closeout.
really couldn't tell any improvement in ride quality. it was a better sprinting platform, due to the stiffer head tube/front end. but that was about it.
it built up a pound heavier than the look.
fast forward to spring 2017, i purchased the Protos on closeout.
built up to the same weight as the Damocles (16.5 lbs)

i'm not sure if i like it any better than the 585.
there's a slim chance i have a line on a NOS 595 (pro team... SAME PAINT AS MY 585!!!)

The 585 fits me like a custom-tailored armani suit. i feel slightly more stretched out on the Protos.
that might be due to the Campy 11-speed shifters on the Protos, as compared to the campy 10-speed shifters on the 585.
that could be corrected with a shorter reach handle bar.

i just don't know if i'm as in love with the Protos as i though i would be.


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PostPosted: Mon Aug 07, 2017 4:01 am 
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How long have you been riding the Protos? It could take a while to get used to the change, that's all.

I didn't love my De Rosa at first either. But now, you'd have to pry it out of my cold dead hands to get me to give it up.


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PostPosted: Mon Aug 07, 2017 4:07 am 
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rlanger wrote:
How long have you been riding the Protos? It could take a while to get used to the change, that's all.

I didn't love my De Rosa at first either. But now, you'd have to pry it out of my cold dead hands to get me to give it up.


granted i don't have TOO much time on it.
a few hundred miles maybe?
i don't think i climbs quite as well as the 585

i have to say, i like the look of the Look a lot better, because, well... LOOK. hahahaha, kind of petty


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PostPosted: Mon Aug 07, 2017 4:10 am 
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Catagory6 wrote:
rlanger wrote:
How long have you been riding the Protos? It could take a while to get used to the change, that's all.

I didn't love my De Rosa at first either. But now, you'd have to pry it out of my cold dead hands to get me to give it up.


granted i don't have TOO much time on it.
a few hundred miles maybe?
i don't think i climbs quite as well as the 585


Maybe that's cuz you're 10 years older? :wink: :D


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PostPosted: Mon Aug 07, 2017 4:17 am 
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maybe i'm missing the point?
maybe its time to replace the 11-year-old 585, with the NOS 595?


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PostPosted: Mon Aug 07, 2017 4:50 am 
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Catagory6 wrote:
maybe i'm missing the point?
maybe its time to replace the 11-year-old 585, with the NOS 595?


No, sorry. I was just making a little joke about your typo...
"i don't think i climbs quite as well as the 585"


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PostPosted: Mon Aug 07, 2017 5:17 am 
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rlanger wrote:
Catagory6 wrote:
maybe i'm missing the point?
maybe its time to replace the 11-year-old 585, with the NOS 595?


No, sorry. I was just making a little joke about your typo...
"i don't think i climbs quite as well as the 585"


that's why i didn't quote you.
it was an original thought.
maybe its time to upgrade the 585?


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PostPosted: Mon Aug 07, 2017 9:55 am 
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Nah. Stick with the Protos for a few months then report back.

BTW, which version did you get? Did you get the original Protos or the 2017 model?


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PostPosted: Mon Aug 07, 2017 4:47 pm 
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rlanger wrote:
Nah. Stick with the Protos for a few months then report back.

BTW, which version did you get? Did you get the original Protos or the 2017 model?


+1

Though the 585 is a very rewarding bike ... mine is like an old friend ... just feels comfortable, responsive, balanced and it's quiet (smaller diameter tubes no doubt help here) ...

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PostPosted: Mon Aug 07, 2017 6:55 pm 
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got the previous generation Protos. 2016 model


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PostPosted: Mon Aug 07, 2017 7:35 pm 
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The 585/595 regular and ultra frames are some of the best frames made. Even if they are old, they are still great bikes. If you can get a NOS 595 that fits you, I think you should go for it. Lugged frames never go out of style. It will still look great in 10 years time imo.

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PostPosted: Mon Aug 07, 2017 7:42 pm 
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out of curiosity, how much would one expect to pay for NOS 595? I might have a line on one that's advertised at USD $2899, but that seems a little steep to me


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PostPosted: Mon Aug 07, 2017 8:17 pm 
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Catagory6 wrote:
out of curiosity, how much would one expect to pay for NOS 595? I might have a line on one that's advertised at USD $2899, but that seems a little steep to me


$2900 is too much at this point. I'd be looking at closer to $1500. RA Cycles has theirs for $1400.

https://www.racycles.com/outlet/road/lo ... gKv8_D_BwE

They have the 585 CA for $1200.

https://www.racycles.com/outlet/road/lo ... cole-11540

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53x12 wrote:
Catagory6 wrote:
out of curiosity, how much would one expect to pay for NOS 595? I might have a line on one that's advertised at USD $2899, but that seems a little steep to me


$2900 is too much at this point. I'd be looking at closer to $1500. RA Cycles has theirs for $1400.

https://www.racycles.com/outlet/road/lo ... gKv8_D_BwE

They have the 585 CA for $1200.

https://www.racycles.com/outlet/road/lo ... cole-11540


ahh, thanks for the info
unfortunately its the wrong size (i ride a small). wrong color (not pro-team white... i'm very picky), and WRONG SHOP! i used to live up the street from that place, and boy-oh-boy. i wouldn't go there for a patch kit.


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PostPosted: Wed Aug 09, 2017 3:36 am 
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Catagory6 wrote:
53x12 wrote:
Catagory6 wrote:
out of curiosity, how much would one expect to pay for NOS 595? I might have a line on one that's advertised at USD $2899, but that seems a little steep to me


$2900 is too much at this point. I'd be looking at closer to $1500. RA Cycles has theirs for $1400.

https://www.racycles.com/outlet/road/lo ... gKv8_D_BwE

They have the 585 CA for $1200.

https://www.racycles.com/outlet/road/lo ... cole-11540


ahh, thanks for the info
unfortunately its the wrong size (i ride a small). wrong color (not pro-team white... i'm very picky), and WRONG SHOP! i used to live up the street from that place, and boy-oh-boy. i wouldn't go there for a patch kit.


Then i say go for it if the bike is in your size and the color theme you are looking for. It is hard to find Look 595 in the correct sizing and colorway nowadays.
On a side note, i think that the pro team black is also very nice as i have one myself. the carbon is naked 3k weave and under bright sunlight,it is a beauty.


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