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PostPosted: Mon Jul 31, 2017 7:31 am 
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53x12 wrote:
jlmcabral wrote:
Lieblingsleguan wrote:
justkeepedaling wrote:

Just out of curiousity, have you ever ridden an aero bike and tracked power?

Please don't...


Why do you say that? I'm actualy curious now about this topic


You are new and don't understand kgt and his irrational hate and lack of understanding all things aero. For someone that supposedly teaches engineering at the university level to boot.

In the Colnago V2-R Thread, he said he is teaching design which, looking at my experiences with some (not all!) product designers, could explain a lot.


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PostPosted: Mon Jul 31, 2017 12:36 pm 
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Before you guys accuse me (so boring...) explain first why Contador or Mollema still prefer the Emonda in many stages (if not all) while the Madone is as light, more comfortable and much 'faster'. Are you smarter than them?

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PostPosted: Mon Jul 31, 2017 1:28 pm 
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kgt wrote:
Before you guys accuse me (so boring...) explain first why Contador or Mollema still prefer the Emonda in many stages (if not all) while the Madone is as light, more comfortable and much 'faster'. Are you smarter than them?

Explained that more than once.


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PostPosted: Mon Jul 31, 2017 1:33 pm 
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Lieblingsleguan wrote:
53x12 wrote:
jlmcabral wrote:
Lieblingsleguan wrote:
Please don't...


Why do you say that? I'm actualy curious now about this topic


You are new and don't understand kgt and his irrational hate and lack of understanding all things aero. For someone that supposedly teaches engineering at the university level to boot.

In the Colnago V2-R Thread, he said he is teaching design which, looking at my experiences with some (not all!) product designers, could explain a lot.


From a previous thread.

kgt wrote:
Fortunately I have the experience and education (BTW I teach engineers at a technical university) that allow me to be critical.

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PostPosted: Mon Jul 31, 2017 2:37 pm 
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53x12 wrote:
Lieblingsleguan wrote:
53x12 wrote:
jlmcabral wrote:

Why do you say that? I'm actualy curious now about this topic


You are new and don't understand kgt and his irrational hate and lack of understanding all things aero. For someone that supposedly teaches engineering at the university level to boot.

In the Colnago V2-R Thread, he said he is teaching design which, looking at my experiences with some (not all!) product designers, could explain a lot.


From a previous thread.

kgt wrote:
Fortunately I have the experience and education (BTW I teach engineers at a technical university) that allow me to be critical.

Well, technically, my English teacher also taught engineers at a technical university. :wink:


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PostPosted: Mon Jul 31, 2017 3:33 pm 
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An answer to my lovely followers:
Engineers are designers too.

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PostPosted: Mon Jul 31, 2017 3:42 pm 
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kgt wrote:
Are you smarter than them?


Absolutely.


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PostPosted: Mon Jul 31, 2017 4:04 pm 
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I decided to go with the Emonda.
Light bikes are always nicer to ride than heavier ones....plus it's hilly round ere.

I have my Domane SLR Disc if I want to ride a heavy bike :cry:


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PostPosted: Mon Jul 31, 2017 4:26 pm 
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kgt wrote:
An answer to my lovely followers:
Engineers are designers too.


But it seems designers are seldom engineers.


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PostPosted: Mon Jul 31, 2017 4:31 pm 
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kgt wrote:
An answer to my lovely followers:
Engineers are designers too.


I'm an engineer, so I can confirm that this is true. I gather you're not an engineer, but rather pointing out that engineers and industrial designers like you sometimes do similar work.


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PostPosted: Mon Jul 31, 2017 4:35 pm 
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moonoi wrote:
wwnick wrote:
madone is named after a mountain climb (which we all probably know already), funny that, for an aero bike.
new stem is ugly, imho, maybe you could get a good price on 2017 as it could be on sale.

as far asthtetics, madone=bling, emonda=elegance.


Yeah but Emonda is just an anagram of Madone, so they're both named after the same climb, not funny at all.


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PostPosted: Mon Jul 31, 2017 4:39 pm 
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Geordiepaul wrote:
I decided to go with the Emonda.
Light bikes are always nicer to ride than heavier ones....plus it's hilly round ere.

I have my Domane SLR Disc if I want to ride a heavy bike :cry:



great choice, enjoy your new ride!


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PostPosted: Mon Jul 31, 2017 6:43 pm 
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youngs_modulus wrote:
kgt wrote:
An answer to my lovely followers:
Engineers are designers too.


I'm an engineer, so I can confirm that this is true. I gather you're not an engineer, but rather pointing out that engineers and industrial designers like you sometimes do similar work.


No, I am not industrial designer. Wrong conclusion.
Anything to contribute to the thread other than guessing my degrees?

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PostPosted: Mon Jul 31, 2017 6:59 pm 
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Geordiepaul wrote:
I decided to go with the Emonda.
Light bikes are always nicer to ride than heavier ones....plus it's hilly round ere.

I have my Domane SLR Disc if I want to ride a heavy bike :cry:


Great choice. For WW purposes, you are definitely ahead of the game.

I did dig up this gem. Ryder Hesjedal's Madone 9 from last season weighed in at 7.4kg when equipped with his Aeolus 5 wheels (7.3 w/ Aeolus 3's). Obviously it's using sponsored equipment, but there isn't much room for adding exotic goods to this bike. You can't swap the expander plug, given the proprietary nature of the steerer tube, you can't swap brakes, can't swap seatposts, can't swap most of the components. I've gotten mine to 7.6kg w/ 404 Firecrest clinchers, and I'd love to be able to drop it to 7.5kg, but it doesn't look likely.

http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/ryder-h ... s-gallery/

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PostPosted: Mon Jul 31, 2017 7:43 pm 
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FIJIGabe wrote:
Geordiepaul wrote:
I decided to go with the Emonda.
Light bikes are always nicer to ride than heavier ones....plus it's hilly round ere.

I have my Domane SLR Disc if I want to ride a heavy bike :cry:


Great choice. For WW purposes, you are definitely ahead of the game.

I did dig up this gem. Ryder Hesjedal's Madone 9 from last season weighed in at 7.4kg when equipped with his Aeolus 5 wheels (7.3 w/ Aeolus 3's). Obviously it's using sponsored equipment, but there isn't much room for adding exotic goods to this bike. You can't swap the expander plug, given the proprietary nature of the steerer tube, you can't swap brakes, can't swap seatposts, can't swap most of the components. I've gotten mine to 7.6kg w/ 404 Firecrest clinchers, and I'd love to be able to drop it to 7.5kg, but it doesn't look likely.

http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/ryder-h ... s-gallery/


A more normal 56 H1, with a 110 of 120 cockpit instead of that monster he is using, speedplays, a lighter saddle (arond 150gr or less) and tune skewers would bring the bike below 7kg with ease. Don't forget that those 180mm SRM crank probably weights a ton also :shock: But I totally agree, you don't by a Madone if you are obsessed with ultra light weight bikes.

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