Weight Weenies
* FAQ    * Search    * Trending Topics
* Login   * Register
HOME Listings Blog NEW Galleries NEW FAQ Contact About Impressum
It is currently Tue Nov 21, 2017 1:06 pm

All times are UTC+01:00





Post new topic  Reply to topic  [ 63 posts ]  Go to page Previous 1 2 3 4 5 Next
Author Message
PostPosted: Tue Aug 15, 2017 8:45 pm 
Offline

Joined: Mon Jun 20, 2016 6:35 pm
Posts: 154
FM066


Top
   
Posted: Tue Aug 15, 2017 8:45 pm 


Top
   
 
PostPosted: Wed Aug 16, 2017 1:44 am 
Offline

Joined: Mon Apr 03, 2006 8:53 am
Posts: 806
I'm in too "oversteer" : )... My Cervelo's ride is equal to or better than one of the industry's best steel bikes every built. PERIOD!


Top
   
PostPosted: Thu Aug 17, 2017 6:49 pm 
Offline

Joined: Wed Apr 08, 2009 8:01 pm
Posts: 353
I heard a rumor, or maybe it was a confirmation from a guy who builds frames in the East Bay CA.
He says he went to a Cervelo builder forum or something rather and he was told the forks weren't engineered into the frame geometry.
It was hard to swallow that pill, but I respect this guy who's been in the cycling game for years and is one of the well known builders in the nor cal scene.
Maybe the earlier Cervelo frames were designed and the earlier 3T forks were just additions to the designs. Just a random rake on what they thought would work?
The bike just wouldn't turn in at all, and then a super sharp correction from your input after overshooting the turn. My buddy who rides for Rapha explained the exact same nature of her Cervelo R3 from that same era.
I had a Cervelo R3SL for reference. There's one popular climb I do in LA (Chantry), and I recall that Cervelo being damn scary on that descent. I overshot every single turn and I'm know to be a pretty damn good descender in my circle.

Just my take on the earlier Cervelo bikes. I went to a Parlee Z4 as my next bike and it was night and day on the exact same descent. Then from a Parlee to a Speedvagen and I was 2-4 seconds from KOM of that Chantry descent before it was removed from Strava and I sat up the entire top section...

I'm sure The newer Cervelo bikes are night and day better than their frames from 2007-2009.. That's 8 years of learning and making your frames and geometry better. That's like comparing a Parlee Z4 to their newest frames. Night and Day in terms of advancement.

2009 vibes!
Image

The Parlee I rode right after the Oversteer King Cervelo R3SL.
Image

_________________
Speedvagen Road Machine "2011 Surprise me | Cannondale SuperSix Evo (Build in progress) | Rob English "Mudfoot" 29er | LOVENOISE


Top
   
PostPosted: Thu Aug 17, 2017 7:01 pm 
Offline

Joined: Fri Feb 22, 2013 5:09 am
Posts: 613
Chantry descent is really really good for testing bike handling. Me and Ryan both use it.


Top
   
PostPosted: Fri Aug 18, 2017 1:21 am 
Offline

Joined: Mon Apr 03, 2006 8:53 am
Posts: 806
@ Denavelo.....Does that really make sense?

Are you the number one selling tri bike in the world and the reason is that your engineering and aerodynamics are years ahead of any other manufacture. And on your second carbon road frame you build a bike that uses a "random rake or forks weren't engineered into the frame geometry". But at the same time you are sponsoring a pro team that is trying to win Paris–Roubaix where every pice of equipment is under a microscope and you have a possible TDF winner on your team?

Think of the liability..too ......I don't think so...

It's know that that Cervelo didn't build forks they never hid that..... They even said the R5Ca had a fork that was build by THM...... but there is just no way that Cervelo's forks weren't design with/for the frame.

C

Also Imo and others, the R3SL might be one of the best riding bikes ever built.


Top
   
PostPosted: Fri Aug 18, 2017 3:21 pm 
Offline

Joined: Wed Apr 08, 2009 8:01 pm
Posts: 353
I'm going off of experience and what others have said. Cervelo wasn't started by (2) guys who raced on the pro tour circuit.
You can google and see people talking about the weird handling characteristics of the early Cervelo bikes.
Everyone started somewhere and they eventually progress as a brand. If there was no unison between 3T developing forks for Cervelo, then yes there could be an issue there.

I know 3 people who said the exact same thing about those year Cervelo. Their bikes have never been known as the best handling bikes, but some of the best climbing bikes (Light models).
I ride with frame builders who stress the importance of rake in their frame builds, or the bikes handle like CRAP. My buddy is a recipient of said bike. It climbs like a goat, but it twitchy and oversteers like a dog.
If the R3SL is such a pinnacle of handling, how come none of the current Cervelo bikes use the exact same geometry or fork rake or 3t fork from that generation? That would mean they improved on it, wouldn't it. Think about that.... 3T forks could have been the culprit and it was just a bad mix all together.

_________________
Speedvagen Road Machine "2011 Surprise me | Cannondale SuperSix Evo (Build in progress) | Rob English "Mudfoot" 29er | LOVENOISE


Top
   
PostPosted: Sat Aug 19, 2017 8:05 pm 
Online

Joined: Wed Mar 15, 2017 5:30 pm
Posts: 284
Maybe its because I started on and have ridden primarily Specialized/Cannondale geo which are super similar, but I have a current gen S3 and it took me a long time to get to grips with the handling. I still can descend faster on a Tarmac and am way more comfortable with the handling. I think part of it is the Cervelo geo is too short (reach), but even beyond that I have ridden a lot of other bikes that I was immediately confident on and still am not there with the S3.


Top
   
PostPosted: Sat Aug 19, 2017 9:02 pm 
Offline

Joined: Sun Jul 17, 2016 4:18 am
Posts: 11
Fuji SL


Top
   
PostPosted: Wed Nov 15, 2017 4:26 am 
Offline

Joined: Wed Nov 15, 2017 3:52 am
Posts: 2
asiantrick wrote:
I am lucky enough to ride most of the bikes on your list. One of the bike that is not on there and imo I feel stands slightly above the R5 would be the Argon Gallium Pro. As a current owner of the Izalco Max (stiff as a bogo stick) & previous owner of Super 6 Evo HM, R5, BH Ultra Light, Fuji. One bike that I regretted selling the most was the Gallium Pro.


I am coming off an Izalco and am shopping for something new - the Gallium Pro is one of the ones at the top of my list. How does it compare to the Izalco?


Top
   
PostPosted: Wed Nov 15, 2017 4:35 pm 
Offline

Joined: Fri Sep 15, 2017 2:20 pm
Posts: 17
I am really happy with my new Carrera SL. You can find the frame for a good price.. and it looks even better than on the pics.

viewtopic.php?f=3&t=147518&p=1358957&hilit=carrera#p1358911


Top
   
PostPosted: Wed Nov 15, 2017 5:48 pm 
Offline

Joined: Fri Dec 04, 2015 11:18 pm
Posts: 103
Location: the OC, CA
inspclouseau wrote:
asiantrick wrote:
I am lucky enough to ride most of the bikes on your list. One of the bike that is not on there and imo I feel stands slightly above the R5 would be the Argon Gallium Pro. As a current owner of the Izalco Max (stiff as a bogo stick) & previous owner of Super 6 Evo HM, R5, BH Ultra Light, Fuji. One bike that I regretted selling the most was the Gallium Pro.


I am coming off an Izalco and am shopping for something new - the Gallium Pro is one of the ones at the top of my list. How does it compare to the Izalco?


More comfortable and more agile than the Izalco. But after I rode the Addict SL (current bike) I put the Addict SL above both of those bikes :mrgreen: in term of comfort, agility, & speed. You really can't go wrong with those 3 bikes though.


Top
   
PostPosted: Wed Nov 15, 2017 8:19 pm 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Wed Oct 31, 2007 10:32 pm
Posts: 8493
Location: Los Feliz, Los Angeles, California
Cervelo R5
Fuji SL
Focus Izalco
Scott Addict SL (older model, buy it used)

As long as the geometry works, you can't do wrong with any of those options.

_________________
Exp001 || Other projects in the works.


Top
   
PostPosted: Wed Nov 15, 2017 9:43 pm 
Offline

Joined: Sun Dec 04, 2016 10:26 am
Posts: 58
In the end I got a SuperSix EVO HiMod, 2016 model and I love it :) Stock for now, but things to come for next season... SRAM Red, AX Lightness and the like...

I also got a Focus Izalco Disc and I have a slight nudging that it might be even better uphill than the Cannondale... will ride the Cannondale again in the spring, then I will be able to tell.


Top
   
PostPosted: Wed Nov 15, 2017 9:47 pm 
Offline

Joined: Wed Nov 15, 2017 3:52 am
Posts: 2
asiantrick wrote:
inspclouseau wrote:
asiantrick wrote:
I am lucky enough to ride most of the bikes on your list. One of the bike that is not on there and imo I feel stands slightly above the R5 would be the Argon Gallium Pro. As a current owner of the Izalco Max (stiff as a bogo stick) & previous owner of Super 6 Evo HM, R5, BH Ultra Light, Fuji. One bike that I regretted selling the most was the Gallium Pro.


I am coming off an Izalco and am shopping for something new - the Gallium Pro is one of the ones at the top of my list. How does it compare to the Izalco?


More comfortable and more agile than the Izalco. But after I rode the Addict SL (current bike) I put the Addict SL above both of those bikes :mrgreen: in term of comfort, agility, & speed. You really can't go wrong with those 3 bikes though.


One of the things I loved about my izalco was how comfortable and fun it was. This is good to know. Thanks for the info!


Top
   
Posted: Wed Nov 15, 2017 9:47 pm 


Top
   
 
PostPosted: Thu Nov 16, 2017 12:25 am 
Offline

Joined: Fri Dec 04, 2015 11:18 pm
Posts: 103
Location: the OC, CA
Quote:
One of the things I loved about my izalco was how comfortable and fun it was. This is good to know. Thanks for the info!


I'm surprise that you think the Izalco is comfortable. It's a bit way to stiff for my taste. It's still my go to bike when I know I will go down on a sketchy descend, since it handles like I'm on rail.


Top
   
Display posts from previous:  Sort by  
Post new topic  Reply to topic  [ 63 posts ]  Go to page Previous 1 2 3 4 5 Next

   Similar Topics   Author   Replies   Views   Last post 
There are no new unread posts for this topic. New frame choice....advice appreciated.

[ Go to page: 1 2 ]

in Road

alastairb

23

4102

Sat Jun 03, 2017 3:31 pm

reedplayer View the latest post

There are no new unread posts for this topic. Weight weenie frame choice

[ Go to page: 1 2 3 4 5 ]

in Road

964Cup

64

7649

Wed Jul 19, 2017 2:31 pm

wheelsONfire View the latest post

There are no new unread posts for this topic. New bike need help GAN S 2017 or F8 used frame

[ Go to page: 1 2 ]

in Road

antonio07

16

1378

Sat Jul 01, 2017 10:13 pm

antonio07 View the latest post

There are no new unread posts for this topic. NEw road Bike Frame - Which tubing ?

in Road

Kupepe

9

1042

Thu Jul 06, 2017 1:35 pm

morganb View the latest post

There are no new unread posts for this topic. Best frame for short bike racer

in Road

LouisN

14

981

Tue Jul 11, 2017 4:30 pm

topflightpro View the latest post


All times are UTC+01:00


Who is online

Users browsing this forum: gmarsden, ProfessorChaos, zank and 37 guests


You cannot post new topics in this forum
You cannot reply to topics in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum
You cannot post attachments in this forum

Search for:
Jump to:  
Powered by phpBB® Forum Software © phpBB Limited