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PostPosted: Tue Aug 15, 2017 8:45 pm 
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 16, 2017 1:44 am 
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I'm in too "oversteer" : )... My Cervelo's ride is equal to or better than one of the industry's best steel bikes every built. PERIOD!


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PostPosted: Thu Aug 17, 2017 6:49 pm 
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I heard a rumor, or maybe it was a confirmation from a guy who builds frames in the East Bay CA.
He says he went to a Cervelo builder forum or something rather and he was told the forks weren't engineered into the frame geometry.
It was hard to swallow that pill, but I respect this guy who's been in the cycling game for years and is one of the well known builders in the nor cal scene.
Maybe the earlier Cervelo frames were designed and the earlier 3T forks were just additions to the designs. Just a random rake on what they thought would work?
The bike just wouldn't turn in at all, and then a super sharp correction from your input after overshooting the turn. My buddy who rides for Rapha explained the exact same nature of her Cervelo R3 from that same era.
I had a Cervelo R3SL for reference. There's one popular climb I do in LA (Chantry), and I recall that Cervelo being damn scary on that descent. I overshot every single turn and I'm know to be a pretty damn good descender in my circle.

Just my take on the earlier Cervelo bikes. I went to a Parlee Z4 as my next bike and it was night and day on the exact same descent. Then from a Parlee to a Speedvagen and I was 2-4 seconds from KOM of that Chantry descent before it was removed from Strava and I sat up the entire top section...

I'm sure The newer Cervelo bikes are night and day better than their frames from 2007-2009.. That's 8 years of learning and making your frames and geometry better. That's like comparing a Parlee Z4 to their newest frames. Night and Day in terms of advancement.

2009 vibes!
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The Parlee I rode right after the Oversteer King Cervelo R3SL.
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 17, 2017 7:01 pm 
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Chantry descent is really really good for testing bike handling. Me and Ryan both use it.


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PostPosted: Fri Aug 18, 2017 1:21 am 
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@ Denavelo.....Does that really make sense?

Are you the number one selling tri bike in the world and the reason is that your engineering and aerodynamics are years ahead of any other manufacture. And on your second carbon road frame you build a bike that uses a "random rake or forks weren't engineered into the frame geometry". But at the same time you are sponsoring a pro team that is trying to win Paris–Roubaix where every pice of equipment is under a microscope and you have a possible TDF winner on your team?

Think of the liability..too ......I don't think so...

It's know that that Cervelo didn't build forks they never hid that..... They even said the R5Ca had a fork that was build by THM...... but there is just no way that Cervelo's forks weren't design with/for the frame.

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Also Imo and others, the R3SL might be one of the best riding bikes ever built.


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PostPosted: Fri Aug 18, 2017 3:21 pm 
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I'm going off of experience and what others have said. Cervelo wasn't started by (2) guys who raced on the pro tour circuit.
You can google and see people talking about the weird handling characteristics of the early Cervelo bikes.
Everyone started somewhere and they eventually progress as a brand. If there was no unison between 3T developing forks for Cervelo, then yes there could be an issue there.

I know 3 people who said the exact same thing about those year Cervelo. Their bikes have never been known as the best handling bikes, but some of the best climbing bikes (Light models).
I ride with frame builders who stress the importance of rake in their frame builds, or the bikes handle like CRAP. My buddy is a recipient of said bike. It climbs like a goat, but it twitchy and oversteers like a dog.
If the R3SL is such a pinnacle of handling, how come none of the current Cervelo bikes use the exact same geometry or fork rake or 3t fork from that generation? That would mean they improved on it, wouldn't it. Think about that.... 3T forks could have been the culprit and it was just a bad mix all together.

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PostPosted: Sat Aug 19, 2017 8:05 pm 
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Maybe its because I started on and have ridden primarily Specialized/Cannondale geo which are super similar, but I have a current gen S3 and it took me a long time to get to grips with the handling. I still can descend faster on a Tarmac and am way more comfortable with the handling. I think part of it is the Cervelo geo is too short (reach), but even beyond that I have ridden a lot of other bikes that I was immediately confident on and still am not there with the S3.


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