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PostPosted: Fri Jul 14, 2017 8:44 am 
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topflightpro wrote:
I'm going to start by noting I have an Allez Sprint, and previously rode a Caad 10, Caad 9, and Specialized S-Works E5 Aluminum, but at this point, I'm starting to wonder why bother with aluminum.

Aluminum used to be great because it was relatively light, relatively stiff, and relatively cheap - which made for a great combination for racing. It didn't excel in any of those areas, but it was a great combination of the three. And the thought was that aluminum would be a bit more durable than carbon in crashes and cheaper to replace.

But we've reached the point that carbon is now often lighter, stiffer, and cheaper than aluminum. Allez Sprints are $1200. Those Vynls are $1500 to $2k for a frameset. So, they're not so cheap any more. And carbon repair technology has reached the point that it only costs a few hundred bucks to repair a carbon frame. And many claim the repaired frames are stronger than before. So, the allure of aluminum as a quality race bike is diminishing.

I like the way my aluminum bikes ride - also have a Felt TK2 for the track - but I also like how my Gallium Pro rides.


I'm not sure it's fair to compare a high-end, candy frame made by a practically unknown company (as high as quality might be) in small numbers to a mass-produced mid-level carbon frame. I'm not sure top quality, "custom" aluminium has ever been cheaper than cheap or even mid-price carbon.

Decent quality, mass produced ALU frames are still significantly cheaper than the cheapest decent carbon offerings. A Caad12 can be gotten for 500 bucks and most people RAVE about them. They're also right around 1100 grams. You can crash a few of these before you even get close to the pricing on something like a TCR, where you'll be saving a whole 200 grams...


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PostPosted: Fri Jul 14, 2017 9:10 am 
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I have a Kinesis Aithein which I'm riding a few times a week. It's a blast - reactive, light and not too harsh. For sure my SuperSix HM is superior to my alloy frame in almost every way - but we are comparing a £600 frame to a £2K one...

If I was going to go with another alloy build, I'd opt for a Bowman Palace. Seriously think that high end alloy is superior to low end carbon :)


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PostPosted: Fri Jul 14, 2017 3:00 pm 
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mpulsiv wrote:
bremerradkurier wrote:
tranzformer wrote:
^ That is a very valid and great point. Carbon frames have dropped significantly in price and these fancy aluminum frames have gotten closer to the price of middle range carbon frames.


From a Moneyball standpoint, a privateer racer could buy almost three Chinese carbon frames for the price of an Allez Sprint and then muster them out at the end of each season or after a frame killing wreck until race results lead to a real deal sponsorship,


How many privateer racers do you know? I see Cat 5's from time to time. As riders get better and upgrade categories, they join a racing team or form a team. Typically, every race team is sponsored by LBS. This is where they get deals on bikes and frames. To keep this sport alive, the goods are ordered through LBS. I haven't a seen a single racer on Chinese frame (e.g. open mold, knock-off or whatever you want to call it).


It's been a while-I was the manager of a starts with P, ends with E, bike shop for two years ending in 2001 (best two minimum wage jobs I ever had). ;-). We didn't do sponsorships beyond corporate comping a lot of gear to our Paralympic head mechanic, but from an economic standpoint I imagine any support would be close to bro deal pricing at 60-70% off retail, and occasionally screaming deals like the NOS '99 Lemond Zurich frameset available to Bikes USA employees for $125 that I stupidly passed up.

With 60-70% off retail bringing frames down to the $300-400 range, you probably would see sponsored riders on Allez Sprints or CAAD 12s instead of Chinese carbon.


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