What is the current king of aluminum in 2017?
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Spooky and VYNL are both Frank The Welder frames with their own specs. I'd be interested to know how the two frames compare in ride quality.
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That Klein is awesome... I'd love to get my hands on one at some point, but I'm sorry. I have to completely disagree with you. First, the pics you're referencing don't even show bikes with small welds. Second, I think what you're trying to convey is smoothed welds and yes, it was common for bikes of that era to have smooth welds.... i.e. welds that were ground/sanded smooth, but in recent years many frame builders have chosen to leave welds as is because it is a means to show how well the welds are done.... i.e. like a roll of dimes pushed over. Both of the bikes you're taking about are great, don't get me wrong, but they don't represent any advanced aluminum technology that's been "lost". IMO, they were great for their time, but they don't hold a candle to current aluminum bikes.
I still think that we "moved on" mostly based on financial consideration. Nothing really stop us to keep having those types of finishes... but time and its associated cost.Correct- Klein’s and Old CAAD’s has their welds smoothed to create a uniform look. Bertoletti uses a 3rd party company to achieve the uniform look without compromising the weld.
Klein’s and CAAD’s are cool, it’s just that things have moved on.
The claimed fragility is linked to other problems, lack of control on the overall process, not on smooth welds.
Cannondale caad12 could be perfectly finished like his predecessors, if they invested more time/cost on their frames.
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Yes, the “poverty pack” alloys
In all seriousness CAADs and Allez are cult frames for a reason. I love alloy and the fact that so many people discount it as a material makes it even more special.
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And Spookyvinuneuro wrote:So many pages in this thread when there are really only two. Allez Sprint and CAAD12.
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Legend has to be in the mix as well- it’s not just about MericaNefarious86 wrote: ↑Thu Feb 15, 2018 10:04 amAnd Spookyvinuneuro wrote:So many pages in this thread when there are really only two. Allez Sprint and CAAD12.
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From a tech point of view I am not seeing why legend and spooky should be there. If you look they are behind what a caad5 was. Round tubes not differentiated.Wookski wrote:Legend has to be in the mix as well- it’s not just about MericaNefarious86 wrote: ↑Thu Feb 15, 2018 10:04 amAnd Spookyvinuneuro wrote:So many pages in this thread when there are really only two. Allez Sprint and CAAD12.
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The welds on the Canyon Ultimate AL SLX are brilliant. Highly recommend this frame. A little heavier than some of the superlight ones, but you get their top level fork with it and the whole package handles brilliantly and is very comfortable to ride.
My whole bike, size M, with alloy stem/bars, Campy Chorus throughout and Campy Zonda C17's still comes in at under 6.8kg.
My whole bike, size M, with alloy stem/bars, Campy Chorus throughout and Campy Zonda C17's still comes in at under 6.8kg.
Are you talking about the newer 2018 model (that resembles the carbon TCR), or the older one?
Do you have a build thread somewhere? under 6.8kg sounds great.robertbb wrote: ↑Thu Feb 15, 2018 11:33 pmThe welds on the Canyon Ultimate AL SLX are brilliant. Highly recommend this frame. A little heavier than some of the superlight ones, but you get their top level fork with it and the whole package handles brilliantly and is very comfortable to ride.
My whole bike, size M, with alloy stem/bars, Campy Chorus throughout and Campy Zonda C17's still comes in at under 6.8kg.
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Coming soon!silvalis wrote: ↑Fri Feb 16, 2018 5:34 amDo you have a build thread somewhere? under 6.8kg sounds great.robertbb wrote: ↑Thu Feb 15, 2018 11:33 pmThe welds on the Canyon Ultimate AL SLX are brilliant. Highly recommend this frame. A little heavier than some of the superlight ones, but you get their top level fork with it and the whole package handles brilliantly and is very comfortable to ride.
My whole bike, size M, with alloy stem/bars, Campy Chorus throughout and Campy Zonda C17's still comes in at under 6.8kg.
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Giant hasn't sold the TCR SLR in the US in a number of years... I think 2014 might have bene the last. A friend of mine had one of those bikes and it was great, for sure.
This is my custom S-Works Allez... 6.8 kg.
A friend of mine has one of those Giants and the Black/Keyline E5 SL Allez, he got both intending to race them and sell at the end of the year and hasn't been able to part with either. Loves both still.CrankAddictsRich wrote: ↑Fri Feb 16, 2018 12:55 pmGiant hasn't sold the TCR SLR in the US in a number of years... I think 2014 might have bene the last. A friend of mine had one of those bikes and it was great, for sure.
This is my custom S-Works Allez... 6.8 kg.
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