Anything that is mass produced in China can not be compared to a handmade in Europe or US frame in terms of manufacturing quality.
Examples of high quality frames? Many: All Time frames, hi-end Giant Frames, made in Waterloo Treks, Colnago C60s, the BMC Impec, Cipollinis, hi-end Parlees, hi-end Crumptons, high-end IFs, hi-end Sartos, hi-end AXs, hi-end Bassos etc. etc. etc. the list is big.
i live in spain where they can f*ck up making a sandwich, let alone a high tech composite components. europe is the land of where gas station attendants smoke as the pump your gas. ok, I admit it, that was what i saw in italy, but having lived in germany, it is not as the sterotype suggests, however they work very hard to keep that myth alive, but that is it. America, well look at the president, says it all about that country. So my point is, that people are same everywhere, good and bad, so people should not be judged by locality.
your reply does not persuade me of your original comment regards manufacturing standards not being the best. Canyon stated they have 0.5% - 1% rejects. to me this does not seem huge. Considering when "high end/price" brands (Trek, Cervelo, Enve etc) have had to make recalls for entire product models.
regards, handmade, all carbon frames are handmade, are they not? A mass producer would have a great advantage in terms of experience, as each worker will have hand made many more frames than a single brand. Due to volume, any problems would be discovered much earlier than a single brand. As this is a new and evolving industry, this experience would put the mass (handmade) producer manufacture above the small producer in terms of quality.
these example you list, why are they examples? what makes them high quality?
this is just the way I see it