2lo8, you're obviously not the target consumer then. This is a bike for pros and amateus alike, it has all the advantages a pro bike needs and all the comfort and versatility and free speed a slow amateur wants.
Haven't seen too many pros on these. Pretty sure pros get their bikes because of their sponsors. Could be wrong about that. Of course I'm not the target consumer, but of course there's people who snark about how this is so new and great and so much better than the norm. "We didn't need 8 speed cassettes" kind of BS.
Depends which brand/quality you're buying, but you can also make the frame lighter by not having to make concessions for a FD
Are you seriously implying the weight savings would be anything but negligible? It's not the simple removal of parts. Other parts have to be made heavier.
The BB is an area of extremely dirty air flow, but I'm sure you know more than Gerard
I just said the BB has dirty airflow, so how exactly do you think you're contradicting me? I said you'd have to prove that 1x would make any sort of signifigant difference in the wind tunnel or real life.
E.13 makes a 9-46 cassette with 500+% gear range, impossible on a 2x
I just said you'd have to compare MTB 1x to road 2x, and then you go ahead and compare MTB 1x to road 2x, which has even more awful spacing than your proposed road cassette. You're grasping at straws here. There's a reason we don't use MTB gearing on road bikes.
Which is the majority of the public riding bikes, you don't go to a lawyer and then he laughs at you for not knowing the law. FD's are very confusing for new riders
Yes, clearly people dumping this kind of cash on carbon bikes with 1x11 or 1x12 groupsets are new riders who don't know how shifting works. Probably an arrogant lawyer with too much money. I might agree if you were talking about the 1x7 Schwinn Admiral sold at Walmart.
Now you're being facetious. FD's are much more work than RD's or any other part of the drive train.
What exactly do you do to "maintain" a FD besides rarely adjusting the barrel adjuster, and maybe add a few drops of lube to the pivots? Are you sure you're not the one being facetious? Set up might be harder, but maintenance? Is this some sort of cruel joke? You don't even have to adjust for indexing like a RD.
I know a guy who lost a small race called the Tour de France because he couldn't work his FD and dropped his chain
And it happens rarely, everyone runs chain catchers now, and you keep vacillating between appealing to pro behavior, and not appealing to pro behavior. It's not the end of my career if I drop a chain once a blue moon.
Cheaper frame development since the area doesn't have to be reinforced and optimised to handle the FD load, fewer parts (shifters are some of the most expensive components)
Doesn't matter to me if this doesn't translate into cheaper prices in the real world and I'm just paying more for less.
People are already using purpose built bikes, is this such a stretch? Tony Martin has a 1x TT bike for some occasions, a special aero breakaway bike, a climbing bike, etc.. Adjusting your gearing to your terrain is nothing new also, just different now.
No, that's not a stretch, the issue if you pretending like 1x and this are better in general, how you don't really need a double, etc. not claiming it's a niche bike with a specific purpose. You weren't making the argument that this was the ideal cobbles race bike.
Adjusting your gearing to your terrain is nothing new also, just different now.
Yes, I do that by pressing little levers, while riding even, instead of buying multiple 1x cassettes and chainrings and chains and swapping them as needed. So much simpler.
So what I got from all this is this is the niche bike for rich lawyers named Fred who have never ridden a bike before and don't know how to use a front shifters, using a barrel adjuster is too hard for the front (but not the rear), with enough money to to buy this, but are strong like pros, weight weenie, aero weenie, hates shifting and likes big gear gaps, is hedging his career on a bike race and needs a specialized bike because he is planning on racing cobbles but also will change his cassette and chainrings to match his terrain.
Is that the target consumer?