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 Post subject: Re: Trek Émonda 2018
PostPosted: Thu Jul 13, 2017 2:35 pm 
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Delorre wrote:
How is the handling of the SLR? Stable, neutral or rather quick and twitchy? I ask because in most reviews, there is, as usually, only praise for the whole behaviour of the bike, but the reviewers of granfondo-cycling.com seem to find the handling way too quick and not confidence inspiring. When a mag or website writes something bad about à bike, it has to be really bad, otherwise, they wouldn't have talked about, or rave about the handling. So, you guys currently owning an SLR in a rather large size (56 f.ex), how is the thing handling? Is it stiff enough?


The previous generation SLR reviews talked about how it was quick handling and rode like one size smaller than it was. Never read anyone complain that it wasn't stiff enough, however there were some that complained it wasn't smooth/comfortable enough over more rough roads.

Hopefully as more of the new generation Emondas get out there, we will hear some more reviews.

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 Post subject: Re: Trek Émonda 2018
PostPosted: Thu Jul 13, 2017 7:52 pm 
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Is anyone else confused why H1 fit seems to be extinct unless you go Project one now. Is it really only just due to demand?


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 Post subject: Re: Trek Émonda 2018
PostPosted: Thu Jul 13, 2017 8:41 pm 
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Delorre wrote:
How is the handling of the SLR? Stable, neutral or rather quick and twitchy? I ask because in most reviews, there is, as usually, only praise for the whole behaviour of the bike, but the reviewers of granfondo-cycling.com seem to find the handling way too quick and not confidence inspiring. When a mag or website writes something bad about à bike, it has to be really bad, otherwise, they wouldn't have talked about, or rave about the handling. So, you guys currently owning an SLR in a rather large size (56 f.ex), how is the thing handling? Is it stiff enough?


from grandfondo review
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the relatively nervous handling does ask for more concentration at all times and requires an experienced hand to maneuver. Perhaps that’s where the H2 geometry suits less-experienced riders more.


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This could be appealing to certain racers, but we felt it was a little too extreme and we yearned for the H2 geometry version!


So the reviewer seems to think that the H2 geometry would be more stable, when the only difference would be the stem length (for the same position)

.... me thinks the review was looking for something to say, like so many reviews.


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 Post subject: Re: Trek Émonda 2018
PostPosted: Thu Jul 13, 2017 9:31 pm 
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Yup, the only difference between an H1 Emonda and an H2 Emonda is the headtube length.

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 Post subject: Re: Trek Émonda 2018
PostPosted: Thu Jul 13, 2017 11:10 pm 
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... will be interested to hear how the new Emonda handles. Emonda SLR or TCR SL is a tempting prospect for me. I would have thought that of the two the Emonda was more likely the lesser "overly twitchy race bike" of the two, just based on general perceptions...... Colnangos view that the Emonda handles similarly to the C60, and the obvious reputation of the C60.... etc.


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 Post subject: Re: Trek Émonda 2018
PostPosted: Thu Jul 13, 2017 11:49 pm 
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I'm going to do a build thread very soon on the Koppenberg. Yes, I've had one of these rarities since end of last year. I was so impressed with my H2 Emonda that I was going to replace it with the Koppenberg as my "rain bike", but once I had it I just couldn't slap fenders on it. It was Cancellara's bike of choice for the Grand Tours. Identical geometry to Emonda H1, yet it was labelled as a Domane "Team Issue'. Fact is, it's really an Emonda on steroids, and distant cousin to the Domane if you ask me. The thing is a beast. The newest Emonda even shares a lot of the lines, although a little more subtely, with the Koppenberg. It is heavy by design, extra layups, steel non replaceable derailleur hanger, etc... just solid solid solid, so in that regard it's about as far away from the ultra light SLR Emonda as you could get. About the same weight as my C60. Handling wise, it should react similarly to the new Emonda, although it does have the isospeed rear technology but it is hard to notice it on the road. It is quicker handling up front for sure than the Colnagos, but very very precise. I'll have much more to say soon. Been riding it a lot lately. Along with my Colnagos for comparison sake. Have to say that the light weight of the new Emonda would scare me a bit being heavier myself. But the Koppenberg gives me all the confidence in the world, probably a bit too much for my own good. I'm still feeling the effects of last year's crash.

Teaser, but full thread to follow.... it's a 60 H1 geometry by the way, two centimeters of spacers puts me at the same fit as my Colnagos, and doesn't look odd either... well, except for the Campy build next to the huge Shimano logos plastered on the frame. Ha, it's a conversation starter.
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 Post subject: Re: Trek Émonda 2018
PostPosted: Thu Jul 13, 2017 11:56 pm 
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That is a beauty Cal. They were on closeout for a while here. I'm gutted I missed out. Currently eyeing up the newer Domane SLR in the pro-endurance fit which appears to be even more aggressive than the H1. Good new is they now offer it in Disc, so it may become my training bike.

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 Post subject: Trek Émonda 2018
PostPosted: Fri Jul 14, 2017 12:08 am 
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That new Pro Endurance fit is nothing like the H1. It is the old Classics fit that they did to make the standard Domane fit for Paris Roubaix when it first came out, some years back. Long wheelbase. Low Bottom bracket, slack headtube angle coupled with big fork offset, etc., it is really made for going fast over boulders in a straight line. It is definitely not the tight road geometry of the Emonda, or the Koppenberg above. So many get these models confused. In fact, last year (2016) during the Classics when I saw the direction Trek was going with the new RSL Domane (not to be confused with the "SLR" typo you made above) it pretty much made my mind up that I would need to pick up one of these Koppenberg framesets before they were gone. I will go into all sorts of detail in the build thread to come, discussing the differences etc.

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 Post subject: Re: Trek Émonda 2018
PostPosted: Fri Jul 14, 2017 12:19 am 
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Yeah looking at the Geo charts the Pro endurance on the SLR is a massive drop in headtube (18 vs 16.6 cm in the 60cm). I was familiar with the other Domane The Koppenburg vs the Classics. Looks like the classics became pro-endurance. Anyway good score on the Koppenburg, that Trek team colour way is awesome. Looking forward to the thread.

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 Post subject: Re: Trek Émonda 2018
PostPosted: Fri Jul 14, 2017 12:40 am 
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@Calnago

I would love to hear more about trek build and how you easily campagnolo was for setup. I would love to put EPS on a Madone and keep the wires hidden...but an emonda slr9 isnt a bad compromise either


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 Post subject: Re: Trek Émonda 2018
PostPosted: Fri Jul 14, 2017 8:17 am 
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jeffy wrote:
... will be interested to hear how the new Emonda handles. Emonda SLR or TCR SL is a tempting prospect for me. I would have thought that of the two the Emonda was more likely the lesser "overly twitchy race bike" of the two, just based on general perceptions...... Colnangos view that the Emonda handles similarly to the C60, and the obvious reputation of the C60.... etc.


I've both frames, and too be honest I'm not sure if I can tell the difference between them, the ALR is that good.
Infact, I'm still riding it into the summer, my SL summer bike still unused :D


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 Post subject: Re: Trek Émonda 2018
PostPosted: Thu Jul 20, 2017 10:31 pm 
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Anyone have a local dealer with the new Emonda in stock and get to test ride one yet?

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