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PostPosted: Sun Aug 27, 2017 10:21 am 
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I was running the Enves on my 45 clinchers. Then I switched to Black Prince for about a year and half, the braking in the wet was better, but the Princes ended up glazing the brake track. I switched back to Enve's and the braking was actually a lot better than the Princes in the dry, wet was still pretty average. SO I'm sticking to the Enves for now. I'd be interested to know how the blue Reynolds or Farsports pads go on them though

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PostPosted: Mon Aug 28, 2017 7:30 am 
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I'm using the Enve classis 65, switched to black price around 2 years ago, so far no issues, braking as good and Enve original pads or a bit better.
I was more concern about the wear on the rim braking surface but it all seems good.
If warranty is over, I would go with the black prince, a lot cheaper than the Enve pads which are made by SwissStop any way.


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PostPosted: Mon Aug 28, 2017 10:04 am 
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ferrarista wrote:
I don't know about Europe, but in North America you can get them at 19$ a pair.

Enve brake pads are typically €30 EUR or more per pair at every retailer I've found them. SwissStop Black Prince costs about the same for two pairs.


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PostPosted: Mon Aug 28, 2017 10:42 am 
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MayhemSWE wrote:
ferrarista wrote:
I don't know about Europe, but in North America you can get them at 19$ a pair.

Enve brake pads are typically €30 EUR or more per pair at every retailer I've found them. SwissStop Black Prince costs about the same for two pairs.


So one gets a 3000€ wheelset and complains about paying 60€ for a pair of pads every once in a while :roll:

Let's be honest, you just use such a fancy pair of wheels in good weather season and unless you live on a really mountain area i don't see you wearing a pair of pads in a "summer time" so just ride the damn stock pads and keep your rims safe!


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PostPosted: Tue Oct 10, 2017 1:00 pm 
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Bringing this one back rather than starting a new topic...

I have a set of Enve 4.5 NBTs and looking to change to a better pad.

The standard Enve pads are shocking in the wet (ok in dry).

I've bought some SwissStop Black Princes, but have also heard that the Reynolds Cryo Blue Power pads are meant to be great.

Any opinions guys?

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PostPosted: Tue Oct 10, 2017 2:37 pm 
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ryanw wrote:
Bringing this one back rather than starting a new topic...

I have a set of Enve 4.5 NBTs and looking to change to a better pad.

The standard Enve pads are shocking in the wet (ok in dry).

I've bought some SwissStop Black Princes, but have also heard that the Reynolds Cryo Blue Power pads are meant to be great.

Any opinions guys?


Do your Enves have the newer textured brake track?


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PostPosted: Tue Oct 10, 2017 2:45 pm 
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Yes, hence why I put 4.5 NBTs ;)

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PostPosted: Tue Oct 10, 2017 2:54 pm 
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ryanw wrote:
Yes, hence why I put 4.5 NBTs ;)


If it was clear enough to begin with, I wouldn't have had to ask for clarification. Having never seen 'NBT' noted before, I thought it was worth confirming.


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PostPosted: Tue Oct 10, 2017 3:09 pm 
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Well do some research and see that the new generation of Enve wheels with the New Brake Track, are surprisingly identified as NBT models.

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PostPosted: Tue Oct 10, 2017 3:13 pm 
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ryanw wrote:
Well do some research and see that the new generation of Enve wheels with the New Brake Track, are surprisingly identified as NBT models.


Well I was going to weigh in and share my experience with the new Enve wheels in the rain but I think I'll pass.

Good day to you.


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PostPosted: Tue Oct 10, 2017 10:21 pm 
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ryanw wrote:
Well do some research and see that the new generation of Enve wheels with the New Brake Track, are surprisingly identified as NBT models.


He really didn't deserve that attitude at all. Try taking it back a notch why don't you?

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PostPosted: Tue Oct 10, 2017 10:52 pm 
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Haha, that escalated quickly :)

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PostPosted: Tue Oct 10, 2017 11:25 pm 
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As others have mentioned, I couldn't figure out what NBT meant either.

Anyone else have experience with the Gen 2+ brake tracks and alternative pads? I wish I had seen the comments about gen 2 prior to buying them. I would have been a happy Mavic owner which has a stellar brake track. I'll try Reynolds Power Pads this week and report back. They were terrific on Gen 1 but I'd say it takes over 100 miles to develop a "patina" and for them to work at full capacity.

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PostPosted: Sun Nov 12, 2017 1:26 am 
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RyanH wrote:
As others have mentioned, I couldn't figure out what NBT meant either.

Anyone else have experience with the Gen 2+ brake tracks and alternative pads? I wish I had seen the comments about gen 2 prior to buying them. I would have been a happy Mavic owner which has a stellar brake track. I'll try Reynolds Power Pads this week and report back. They were terrific on Gen 1 but I'd say it takes over 100 miles to develop a "patina" and for them to work at full capacity.
What was the outcome with the gen2 rims?

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PostPosted: Sun Nov 12, 2017 1:34 am 
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@Nefarious86 The Power Pads seemed to work pretty well, better than Black Prince. But, my pads were done in a few rides. This may not be fair cause I already had like 6 or 7k miles on them and didn't fully pay attention to how much pad was left prior to putting them on but after like 150 miles, they were toast.

I'll have my 2017 Mavic Cosmic Ultimates on Monday. Can't wait for those. I'm seriously disappointed with Enve. I'm not sure if I'm more upset with them or the journalists that write all these wonderful things about these wheels...cause they are straight up lies unless you're comparing to Gen 1 with Enve pads. Nearly everything else I've ridden that was 2015+ has been superior with respect to braking performance. Had this been a shop, I would've returned the wheels, but I can't do that to my friend that built them. Instead, it looks like I'll be eating probably $700 cause Enve can't figure their braking out.

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