Hi-Mod frame vs non-himod ? Different frame quality ?
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Hi guys
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A long time reader, a very long time road cyclist...
I'm considering purchasing a Supersix Evo Disc, and was wondering if the HiMod frame was worth it over the regular frame ?
I would also broaden the question to nearly all manufacturer that offer a approx. 150g lighter, "stiffer" frame for 1-2000$ more... Is it worth it ? Thinking about Emonda SL vs SLR, BMC Roadmachine 01 vs 02, Specialized FACT 11r vs 10r... You know what I mean ?
Because (I know it's weight weenies here) the 150g savings isn't worth 2000$ for me because I'm cheap, but comfort and stiffness are very subjective matters outside of a lab...
Thanks for your opinions !
First post on the forum
A long time reader, a very long time road cyclist...
I'm considering purchasing a Supersix Evo Disc, and was wondering if the HiMod frame was worth it over the regular frame ?
I would also broaden the question to nearly all manufacturer that offer a approx. 150g lighter, "stiffer" frame for 1-2000$ more... Is it worth it ? Thinking about Emonda SL vs SLR, BMC Roadmachine 01 vs 02, Specialized FACT 11r vs 10r... You know what I mean ?
Because (I know it's weight weenies here) the 150g savings isn't worth 2000$ for me because I'm cheap, but comfort and stiffness are very subjective matters outside of a lab...
Thanks for your opinions !
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The higher the modulus the stiffer the carbon, hi mod is useful/advantageous in certain areas of a frame for certain desired characteristics and not in others, it is also more brittle
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I know with Scott they have the HMF and HMX frames, working at a Scott dealer we were always told stiffness and comfort was the same the only difference was the weight.
Having ridden HMF and HMX I'd agree.
Working in a Giant dealers a few years ago I tested the TCR composite, advanced and advanced SL.
All with the same wheels, finishing kit and groupset.
The difference between each bike was noticeable, the Composite was as good as my Cervelo S2, the advanced was incredible and the advanced SL was the best bike I'd ridden.
I'm not sure if it would equate to speed but you could sense an improvement in every way.
I currently own a Hi-mod Evo and it's as good as the TCR SL.
I've not ridden the standard mod so unfortunately can't really compare the two fairly.
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Having ridden HMF and HMX I'd agree.
Working in a Giant dealers a few years ago I tested the TCR composite, advanced and advanced SL.
All with the same wheels, finishing kit and groupset.
The difference between each bike was noticeable, the Composite was as good as my Cervelo S2, the advanced was incredible and the advanced SL was the best bike I'd ridden.
I'm not sure if it would equate to speed but you could sense an improvement in every way.
I currently own a Hi-mod Evo and it's as good as the TCR SL.
I've not ridden the standard mod so unfortunately can't really compare the two fairly.
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So, for some brands (like Scott, maybe Cannondale), upgrading the frame doesn't do anything except save a few grams ?
And for other brands (like Giant, maybe others), there is a subjective difference between the low and high end frames ?
And for other brands (like Giant, maybe others), there is a subjective difference between the low and high end frames ?
Hi-Mod is not only significantly lighter, it's also more responsive (better power transfer). You can feel the difference from the 1st ride. If you have money buy a hi-mod, you won't regret it.
Additional info on subject.
Additional info on subject.
Here's a decent high level article on different carbon fiber types and layups in bike frames:
http://www.bicycling.com/bikes-gear/com ... rbon-fiber
From a personal perspective my Supersix Evo Hi-mod is lighter, rides stiffer and feels more "lively" than my friend's non-Hi-mod frame, his words after riding mine.
http://www.bicycling.com/bikes-gear/com ... rbon-fiber
From a personal perspective my Supersix Evo Hi-mod is lighter, rides stiffer and feels more "lively" than my friend's non-Hi-mod frame, his words after riding mine.
The nicer bikes I've ridden have a springiness or liveliness to them. I'm not even sure how to describe it accurately. I've ridden equally stiff carbon bikes that feel dead and wooden and then others that feel lively. The lively bikes are the nicest to ride but I think both would give you the same time up a climb (assuming weight is the same).
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No noticeable difference. Mostly a few grams. The bike company will most likely add to the difference by changing the standard equipment associated with the hi-mod frame, better group set and wheel etc.
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In my experience, the higher grade frames aren't any stiffer when it comes to use, than their lower grade frames... the higher grade/stiffer carbon means they can use less carbon to achieve the same level of stiffness, which is how they save the weight. I have a Venge Pro and a few of my friends have S-Works Venge's... riding the bikes, to me, they feel the same, but their frames were lighter. Overall build weights are basically equal though, because I've chosen my parts a little more carefully and saved that 150g in other areas.
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