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 Post subject: Re: S-Works SL 2018
PostPosted: Sun Oct 22, 2017 7:55 pm 
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Swannie wrote:

Thats more than my non UL, wich was 820g in 54 :lol:


Which paint job?


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 Post subject: Re: S-Works SL 2018
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 Post subject: Re: S-Works SL 2018
PostPosted: Sun Oct 22, 2017 8:35 pm 
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stevod wrote:
Swannie wrote:

Thats more than my non UL, wich was 820g in 54 :lol:


Which paint job?


Same colour as UL.


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 Post subject: Re: S-Works SL 2018
PostPosted: Mon Oct 23, 2017 12:01 pm 
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Swannie wrote:
stevod wrote:
Swannie wrote:

Thats more than my non UL, wich was 820g in 54 :lol:


Which paint job?


Same colour as UL.



Thanks - that's the colour I was considering, so was wondering whether to UL or not.

It seems very odd that the UL is not so UL after all.


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 Post subject: Re: S-Works SL 2018
PostPosted: Mon Oct 23, 2017 12:23 pm 
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stevod wrote:
Swannie wrote:
stevod wrote:
Swannie wrote:

Thats more than my non UL, wich was 820g in 54 :lol:


Which paint job?


Same colour as UL.



Thanks - that's the colour I was considering, so was wondering whether to UL or not.

It seems very odd that the UL is not so UL after all.


anybody have the weight of a non-UL 58cm ?


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 Post subject: Re: S-Works SL 2018
PostPosted: Mon Oct 23, 2017 1:19 pm 
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cyclespeed wrote:
When I did my initial video appraisal of the SL6 a few months ago, I was a bit suspicious of the (suspiciously) low weights.

I still think it's impressive to have lopped off about 200g though AND gone more aero, but there was no need for all that 733g stuff.....


What? You watched a video of the frame — before it was released in the wild — and were suspicious of the claims based on the video?

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 Post subject: Re: S-Works SL 2018
PostPosted: Mon Oct 23, 2017 2:08 pm 
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orange wrote:
My 58 ultralight comes in at 879g !!!

(Including gear hanger)

I would just return this, this doesn't meet any reasonable specifications.

This is on the Specialized website:
{USERNAME} wrote:
Specialized website
Weight

A 733g frame weight and 13.6lb complete bike weight (Ultralight Version, size 56cm) should say everything you need to know. As mentioned above, this ultra-low weight comes from the ability to co-optimize each of the Tarmac’s performance targets, so that reducing weight doesn’t negatively affect the frames handling or aerodynamic performance.


In general I'm so done with cycling industry being terrible with marketed vs. actual weights. Get your production process in order and be honest in your marketing already.


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 Post subject: Re: S-Works SL 2018
PostPosted: Mon Oct 23, 2017 2:11 pm 
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L3X wrote:
orange wrote:
My 58 ultralight comes in at 879g !!!

(Including gear hanger)

I would just return this, this doesn't meet any reasonable specifications.

This is on the Specialized website:
{USERNAME} wrote:
Specialized website
Weight

A 733g frame weight and 13.6lb complete bike weight (Ultralight Version, size 56cm) should say everything you need to know. As mentioned above, this ultra-low weight comes from the ability to co-optimize each of the Tarmac’s performance targets, so that reducing weight doesn’t negatively affect the frames handling or aerodynamic performance.


In general I'm so done with cycling industry being terrible with marketed vs. actual weights. Get your production process in order and be honest in your marketing already.


totally agree - waiting to hear back from specialized to see what they say. It's not like they don't have scales at specialized HQ ?

just to be clear - that weight is for the frame NO BB or headset bearings - NO seatclamp . Includes derailleur hanger and titanium bottle cage screws (x4) - plus the weight of the plastic guide for the rear brake (sub 1g ?)


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 Post subject: Re: S-Works SL 2018
PostPosted: Mon Oct 23, 2017 5:19 pm 
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If they should ever learn, it would only happen by people returning the frames. Otherwise they would default into the "no harm done" mindset.

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 Post subject: Re: S-Works SL 2018
PostPosted: Mon Oct 23, 2017 5:38 pm 
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MRM wrote:
If they should ever learn, it would only happen by people returning the frames. Otherwise they would default into the "no harm done" mindset.



strictly speaking, in the UK, it would be covered by the advertising standards authority

"Its role is to "regulate the content of advertisements, sales promotions and direct marketing in the UK" by investigating "complaints made about ads, sales promotions or direct marketing", and deciding whether such advertising complies with its advertising standards codes. These codes stipulate that "before distributing or submitting a marketing communication for publication, marketers must hold documentary evidence to prove all claims, whether direct or implied, that are capable of objective substantiation" and that "no marketing communication should mislead, or be likely to mislead, by inaccuracy, ambiguity, exaggeration, omission or otherwise".

seems to cover it just fine.


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 Post subject: Re: S-Works SL 2018
PostPosted: Mon Oct 23, 2017 10:01 pm 
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I wouldn't hold my breath. :wink:

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 Post subject: Re: S-Works SL 2018
PostPosted: Mon Oct 23, 2017 10:02 pm 
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L3X wrote:

In general I'm so done with cycling industry being terrible with marketed vs. actual weights. Get your production process in order and be honest in your marketing already.


Agree. What are people's observations about which companies and/or countries are the worst culprits and who can be trusted? It seems the US based companies stretch the truth but the Germans (i.e. Canyon) seem to be pretty accurate and the Italians somewhere in the middle.

From my motorbike racing days it was just taken as a fact that Japanese horsepower were very different than Italian hp (the latter being truthful, the former greatly exaggerated)


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 Post subject: Re: S-Works SL 2018
PostPosted: Mon Oct 23, 2017 10:19 pm 
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From a Cervelo fanboy, they seem pretty accurate about their weights:
http://weightweenies.starbike.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=10&t=148018&hilit=cervelo+r5


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 Post subject: Re: S-Works SL 2018
PostPosted: Mon Oct 23, 2017 10:29 pm 
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Discodan wrote:
L3X wrote:

In general I'm so done with cycling industry being terrible with marketed vs. actual weights. Get your production process in order and be honest in your marketing already.


Agree. What are people's observations about which companies and/or countries are the worst culprits and who can be trusted? It seems the US based companies stretch the truth but the Germans (i.e. Canyon) seem to be pretty accurate and the Italians somewhere in the middle.

From my motorbike racing days it was just taken as a fact that Japanese horsepower were very different than Italian hp (the latter being truthful, the former greatly exaggerated)

Italian brands are some of the worst offenders with bike weight claims. Pinarello especially. Trek is almost always on point with their weights, Specialized not so much.


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 Post subject: Re: S-Works SL 2018
PostPosted: Tue Oct 24, 2017 2:27 am 
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The difference here is that big S is trying to sell a premium bike by virtue of its weight while normally people wouldn't really be too hung up on their bike's claimed weight, Italian or otherwise. We had a laugh at the Pinarello X-Light when it came out because it wasn't really very light but at least they were upfront about it. I don't think the Wilier Zero.7 was too far off 800g as well. The Italians had more integrity than we give them credit for it seems.

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 Post subject: Re: S-Works SL 2018
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 Post subject: Re: S-Works SL 2018
PostPosted: Tue Oct 24, 2017 8:22 am 
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I wouldn't be too surprised if the ultralights are actually just the lightest frames handpicked in the production process - I don't think they're anything special.


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