BRM wrote:Recommended is to avoid carbon dropouts.
Please elaborate. Also is this advice specific to Chinese frames?
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BRM wrote:Specialized wrote in 2013:
Our bikes are produced mainly in Taiwan and China. . . .
Merida owns 49% of Specialized.
Merida has 5 factories: 1 in Taiwan, 3 in China and 1 in Germany.
mpulsiv wrote:
Cycling industry aside, I have never seen a single product made with excellence. I have never heard anyone swear by Chinese made products from intelligent people. China is all about poor quality and mass quantity.
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glepore wrote:mpulsiv wrote:
Cycling industry aside, I have never seen a single product made with excellence. I have never heard anyone swear by Chinese made products from intelligent people. China is all about poor quality and mass quantity.
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First of all, you are holding an iphone while posting. Where was it made?
Second, I'm not stupid (I won't cite credentials here but 30 yrs a cyclist and a postgrad professional degree) nor do I believe the other posters here who have ridden the FM066 or its ilk and endorse them are. So if you need to stroke your own ego thusly, go ahead.
hambini wrote:For what it's worth, my genuine cervelo s5 had a rubbish finished bottom bracket and that was made in Taiwan to allegedly "superior" canadian manufacturing tolerances.
wheelsONfire wrote: When we ride disc brakes the whole deal of braking is just like a leaving a fart. It happens and then it's over. Nothing planned and nothing to get nervous for.
Mr.Gib wrote:hambini wrote:For what it's worth, my genuine cervelo s5 had a rubbish finished bottom bracket and that was made in Taiwan to allegedly "superior" canadian manufacturing tolerances.
Cervelo is not Canadian. Hasn't been for a long time, and the S5 never was.
mpulsiv wrote:
1) China is all about poor quality and mass quantity.
2) Now back to the topic. You are a WW, you love cycling. You love everything about it, you spend your hard earned money for pure joy. Why would you even consider cheap Chinese knock-off frame? It makes sense for someone who doesn't enjoy this sport to full extend and just want something cheap to get from point A to point to B. If we take a wild guess, 99% of riders on this forum love cycling and don't feel guilty spending more money.
Spoil yourself because you only live once.
Multebear wrote:mpulsiv wrote:
1) China is all about poor quality and mass quantity.
2) Now back to the topic. You are a WW, you love cycling. You love everything about it, you spend your hard earned money for pure joy. Why would you even consider cheap Chinese knock-off frame? It makes sense for someone who doesn't enjoy this sport to full extend and just want something cheap to get from point A to point to B. If we take a wild guess, 99% of riders on this forum love cycling and don't feel guilty spending more money.
Spoil yourself because you only live once.
1) Really? Do you find that chinese people are less knowledgeable than americans or europeans? Surely they don't spend as much money on R&D. But why would they, when we've done it for them. It's not that hard to make similar products of similar quality, and especially not bike frames. It's not rocket science. There's a lot of stuff of very fine quality from over there. Have you ever seen a FM066SL frame? They are excellent.
2) It's true that a lot of us care about our gear, and don't feel guilty spending a lot of money on it. But not everyone is loaded here, and you can get just as much joy from a chinese frame with Shimano 105 group set, as with a Colnago with EPS SR. Actually you get more joy out of the chinese frame, if you beat the guy on the Colnago. One of my friends made it all the way from Cat 4 to Cat 1 on a 15 year old alu frame, with equally old Campy mid level 9 speed group set (Veloce if I'm not mistaken). He beat all the guys with Di2, EPS and +5k frames. That is something. No one talks about all the other guys he beat with their expensive gear, they talk about him.
Don't make it all about expensive gear, less expensive has it's place as well. And joy comes from being on your bike, enjoying nature, good company and healthy competition.