Ultegra update?

[mentok]

when are we to expect real-world prices from the big warehouses? I want an 11sp group for my 10sp but i don't want to sink a few hundred into a 105 group when a bit more could get me into a new 8000 group...

[raisinberry777]

when are we to expect real-world prices from the big warehouses? I want an 11sp group for my 10sp but i don't want to sink a few hundred into a 105 group when a bit more could get me into a new 8000 group...

Wiggle put listings up today and a notice that they don't expect stock on the mechanical group until late July, so I would expect that prices would settle a couple months after that.

[maxxevv]

when are we to expect real-world prices from the big warehouses? I want an 11sp group for my 10sp but i don't want to sink a few hundred into a 105 group when a bit more could get me into a new 8000 group...

Its gonna be some time yet before it gets into that ballpark of a price difference.

You can look at the 6800 series now instead.

As seen, the R8000 series group is about US$600/- higher than the current 105/ 5800 groupset.

[hogehoge]

I'd welcome a hobbist-amateur "flat terrain" chainset with 50-39 or 50-42.

I actually really love, that you can easily maintain cruising around 30kph with 39-15, 39-16. My ideal setup is 50-39 with 13-26 at the rear. Strictly for flatish-terrain, but 39-26 is pretty nice for occasional inclines as well.

the finer increments the cassette has, the better. for flatish-landish riding.

oh, and for my solo leisure riding, pretty much a 13t is overkill with 50t. albeit, occasionally, every once in a while, seldom I do use it..

Older Dura Ace 7800 crankset can be configured to 39-50T, I use this setup myself and front shifting is great dues to smaller difference in chainrings size.

[madik]

I'd welcome a hobbist-amateur "flat terrain" chainset with 50-39 or 50-42.

I actually really love, that you can easily maintain cruising around 30kph with 39-15, 39-16. My ideal setup is 50-39 with 13-26 at the rear. Strictly for flatish-terrain, but 39-26 is pretty nice for occasional inclines as well.

the finer increments the cassette has, the better. for flatish-landish riding.

oh, and for my solo leisure riding, pretty much a 13t is overkill with 50t. albeit, occasionally, every once in a while, seldom I do use it..

Older Dura Ace 7800 crankset can be configured to 39-50T, I use this setup myself and front shifting is great dues to smaller difference in chainrings size.

Unless I am missing something there is absolutely no problem getting 50-39 chainrings on current 110mm asymmetric Shimano cranks. Cheapest way is to get compact 50-34 crankset and then swap the inner chainring for 39T. Inner chainrings are fairly cheap. Shimano does use only one chainring bolt diameter now and thats 110mm asymmetric.

[vejnemojnen]

I do use the outlined setup with 1t increments and 50-39 at the front, and I like it.

That is why I am reluctant to convert to 11spd. simply a cassette with fever cogs covers all the gears I need-use..

[hogehoge]

Unless I am missing something there is absolutely no problem getting 50-39 chainrings on current 110mm asymmetric Shimano cranks. Cheapest way is to get compact 50-34 crankset and then swap the inner chainring for 39T. Inner chainrings are fairly cheap. Shimano does use only one chainring bolt diameter now and thats 110mm asymmetric.

Probably should be fine, except the shift ramps might not be matched so shifting might not be optimal. The 52T 9000 chainring comes in two versions one for 36T and 38T. The 50-39T 7800 set is designed to work together.

[Gazelleer]

I use both the 7800 and 9000 in 50-39 and I don't think I noticed much if any difference in shifting performance.

[F45]

mentok, when 6800 came out, it was $775 from the least expensive supplier. The next summer, it was down to where it is now, around $600.

Unless you really need that 34t rear cog, you might consider 6800 with a 9100 fd. 8000 looks to be only a marginal change over 6800 for the cable actuated group.

[mentok]

@f45: thanks for the numbers, I was hoping someone would have them at hand.

I'm just looking to turn a junky 10sp commuter with a mix of 5600 and 6700 into a sleek 11sp with hidden cables - gear cables and commuter lights are the worst. The thought goes: "why spend US$400ish on 5800 when 6800 isn't much more? why spend US$600ish on 680 when 8000 isn't much more?". I'd put the old 6800 that i have on my crit bike onto my commuter and put the new 8000 onto my crit bike.

Definitely don't need the 34t rear though so by the sounds of it i should probably just get the 5800 and save my coin for something else down the road.

[maxxevv]

As far as I have heard, the R8000 is targeted a little differently from the 6800.
Its a little more upmarket compared to the 6800, better details and finishing but still a step or two down from DA.
MSRP pricing seems to reflect that too.

Haven't seen it in the flesh yet, so I can't directly verify.

[F45]

@mentok, I have 5800 too and am completely satisfied except for the crank with it's proprietary rings. But otherwise it's ace. I only have better groups out of vanity.

[ooo]

ST-R8000 diagram and cassette diagram (no changes vs CS-6800)

[probertsqbe]

It looks as though Shimano have decided to phase out the cassette 11-23 as it's not listed as an option for either DA 9100 or Ultegra R8000. I personally use an 11-23 (6800h option today for flattish road races and crits. Looks like I'll be buying some 6800 stock or move to 11-25.

[mattr]

TBH, i'll not really miss the 11-23. I've been running one (or something similar) since the days of 52/42 and 7 speed. So why would i *still* need the same top and bottom ratio when i now have *4* extra sprockets in there?
I can have nice ratio jumps across the block AND have two extra larger sprockets.......

Unfortunately i only realised this a week or so ago, and already have a couple of cassettes, really i should just have bitten the bullet and got the 11-28s.

I'm just old fashioned i suppose, and 28's look horrible on nice wheels. But i don't look at my wheels when i'm riding.

Ah well.