evan326 wrote:You mean one that comes with 9100, or another update to the caad12 already?
Yep, the purple DA9120 model.
However, may be buying a 2016 S Works Tarmac Di2 this week, so depends on that.
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evan326 wrote:You mean one that comes with 9100, or another update to the caad12 already?
Marin wrote:I think I'm missing something regarding geometry - once you have your setback dialed, you can get any fit with any frame by adjusting seatpost and stem?
So the frame numbers just dictate with which stem and with how much post showing you'll ride, right?
boysa wrote:You can set up stack and reach to be identical, but it doesn't mean the bike will handle the same. There are differences in trail, front-center, center-rear, etc. It also doesn't mean the bike will be balanced underneath you. This is most obvious if you've ever been on a frame where you have to "think" about your position when you stand up to sprint. If the geometry doesn't suit you, you encounter situations where either the front wheel will pull off the ground or the rear wheel will spin. Inevitably, you end up making an adjustment to counter these undesired effects.
Ideally, the bike should be an extension of your body. No thinking about where your weight is positioned either when sprinting or cornering. When the geometry is correct, it is glorious.
eyedrop wrote:The best aluminum frame out there is definitely going to be the one with your optimal geometry. Do yourself a favor and find out your ideal stack and reach measurements. Have a professional bike fitter fit you onto an adjustable stationary bike and calculate your ideal fit coordinates. Base all of your future bike purchases on this. If your serious about performance, you know that the correct geometry is key to being able to produce watts.
No sense in just randomly selecting a frame based purely on weight, materials, brand, etc. Thinking like that is foolish.... As long as the frame is reasonably light and stiff, you will be good to go...
Marin wrote:Umm but all road bikes have essentially the same angles and trail numbers. Plus, when people say "the geometry suits me better" they usually mean the fit and not the handling.
boysa wrote:Marin wrote:Umm but all road bikes have essentially the same angles and trail numbers. Plus, when people say "the geometry suits me better" they usually mean the fit and not the handling.
I respectfully disagree. Look at the differences between Colnago and Cervelo. They are not essentially the same. I could get my contact points on both frames to be identical, but where I'm balanced on the frame is going to be very different. This will impact how the frame handles and how it reacts when I need to push it. In addition, to get things to match up, I may need a longer/shorter stem, longer/shorter reach bars, etc. This will also impact the ride.
I'd argue when most people say "the geometry suits me better" they have NO IDEA what the hell they are talking about.
Haha. I am one who believes when things "fit," this equates to the word "disappear." When it is right, you don't think about it or even notice it. Good sunglasses are the ones you say, "Damn, I lost my sunglasses. Oh wait, they're on my face! I didn't even realize I was wearing them." Same goes for shoes, shorts, helmet, etc. Same for the frame. Those items that seamlessly blend in, the ones where we aren't fiddling all the time or making adjustments, those are sublime.