Changing Groupset and Wheelset

[Shonn]

Hi all,

I am sporting a Canyon Ultimate CF SL 7.0 running Shimano 105& Stock Wheelset(Mavic Aksium) with Ritchey Superlogic Carbon Seatpost, Ritchey EvoCurve and Ritchey C260 Carbon Stem.

I would like to go for Campag Chorus and Bora One 50. I only have a few issues in which I have no idea what BB(English/Italian?)(Ultra-Torque?) to choose from, which Front Derailleur (braze-on?) and cassette options. I'm thinking 53-39 and.... (12-27)?

From the specifications on Canyon's site it states that I am using Shimano SM BB72-41B Press-Fit 86,5 X 41MM and Shimano SH FD-5800 Front Derailleur. Could anyone enlighten me?

Also if anyone disagrees with my choices and thinks that I should go for SRAM/ Shimano upgrades or another set of wheels. I am willing to hear the opinions.

I am 95KG, 180CM. I used to ride track but now I am on the road. Based in Melbourne.

[alistaird]

I'm not an expert - nor and I familiar with your frame but a quick bit of research it looks like a Braze On FD fitting - you can tell by looking at the FD to see if there is a band around the seat tube or the FD is connected to a 'tab' on the frame itself (which is a Braze On fitting).

As you have a press fit BB - you don't want English or Italian threaded BB but something like a Campagnolo Ultra Torque BB86 Bottom Bracket Cups or (I think) Campagnolo Power Torque BB 86,5x41mm. There are lots of discussions on Ultra Torque in particular ( 've got Over Torque which has it's own issues around tool availability) and you will need some specialist tools (for Power Torque in particular).

Can fault your choice of groupset and wheels but personally I would just look at investing more in the wheels as the 105 should be fine. I think you're on 11s already so in theory a Campag cassette would work with your 11s Shimano RD and shifters.

Just my 'novice' thoughts.

A

[kkibbler]

Your frame has a BB86 bottom bracket shell, as diagrammed here.
http://wheelsmfg.com/bb86-92-tech

You need a braze-on FD.

I say this not as an insult but as a matter of practicality. The FD question in particular is rather basic and before buying too many things I would recommend riding a lot more, reading a lot more, watching a lot more on Youtube, and/or bringing your bike to an LBS and asking for their advice and installation. Gearing choice is very personal and only you would know what gears you typically need and use on the roads that you typically ride.

[Shonn]

I'm not an expert - nor and I familiar with your frame but a quick bit of research it looks like a Braze On FD fitting - you can tell by looking at the FD to see if there is a band around the seat tube or the FD is connected to a 'tab' on the frame itself (which is a Braze On fitting).

As you have a press fit BB - you don't want English or Italian threaded BB but something like a Campagnolo Ultra Torque BB86 Bottom Bracket Cups or (I think) Campagnolo Power Torque BB 86,5x41mm. There are lots of discussions on Ultra Torque in particular ( 've got Over Torque which has it's own issues around tool availability) and you will need some specialist tools (for Power Torque in particular).

Can fault your choice of groupset and wheels but personally I would just look at investing more in the wheels as the 105 should be fine. I think you're on 11s already so in theory a Campag cassette would work with your 11s Shimano RD and shifters.

Just my 'novice' thoughts.

A

Well I was looking for a wheelset but I thought if I went Campy wheelset, might as well go Italian with a Chorus groupset as well.

Your frame has a BB86 bottom bracket shell, as diagrammed here.
http://wheelsmfg.com/bb86-92-tech

You need a braze-on FD.

I say this not as an insult but as a matter of practicality. The FD question in particular is rather basic and before buying too many things I would recommend riding a lot more, reading a lot more, watching a lot more on Youtube, and/or bringing your bike to an LBS and asking for their advice and installation. Gearing choice is very personal and only you would know what gears you typically need and use on the roads that you typically ride.

I do not take it as an insult I find criticisms crucial to growing and learning. Thanks for the link. I've always ridden track and we have less parts to worry about, I ran a 55,17 on my Cervelo T1.

[junchen]

Personally I find campy wheels v nice, but 105 is already v good (I have owned 105 5800, ultegra 6800, ultegra 6870, Red 10, campy SR 11 speed) and you don't gain much other than aesthetics with the switch from 105 to chorus. I say ride the 105 with bora one 35s....

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[wheelsONfire]

Hi all,

I am sporting a Canyon Ultimate CF SL 7.0 running Shimano 105& Stock Wheelset(Mavic Aksium) with Ritchey Superlogic Carbon Seatpost, Ritchey EvoCurve and Ritchey C260 Carbon Stem.

I would like to go for Campag Chorus and Bora One 50. I only have a few issues in which I have no idea what BB(English/Italian?)(Ultra-Torque?) to choose from, which Front Derailleur (braze-on?) and cassette options. I'm thinking 53-39 and.... (12-27)?

From the specifications on Canyon's site it states that I am using Shimano SM BB72-41B Press-Fit 86,5 X 41MM and Shimano SH FD-5800 Front Derailleur. Could anyone enlighten me?

Also if anyone disagrees with my choices and thinks that I should go for SRAM/ Shimano upgrades or another set of wheels. I am willing to hear the opinions.

I am 95KG, 180CM. I used to ride track but now I am on the road. Based in Melbourne.

What do you look to gain/ achieve with your upgrade?

I am not sure on the swap of groupset is adding any gains.
Ride a bit more on the 105 groupset and save up to something like new DA 9150 or Sram Etap.
Expectations moving from one budget groupset to another seems rather meaningless in matter of gains.
What is the meaning here?

If i were you, i would focus only on wheelsets and tires for now.
You will surely notice a lighter set of wheels (but i wonder if that is ideal with your weight) and tires.
Or looking for any kind of aero wheelset.

My buddy has Shimano Ul 6800 and 105. I have 2* Shimano DA 9000 (EE brakes, FSA K-Force BB 386, Edco Monoblock cassette, ceramic BB) and one bike with Ul Di2 6870 hydraulic.
Personally i prefer the latter.

But new Shimano DA 9100 has some neat tricks which looks nice.

Wheels is interesting, and maybe you should consider what you really like here?
Some like smoother and comfortable riding wheelsets and some like very stiff (but here is the risk you get a harsh riding bike).
It's easy to be swayed by ideals, however, it's best is if you can figure what you really look for and tune your bike towards your own ideal.

[Shonn]

Hi all,

I am sporting a Canyon Ultimate CF SL 7.0 running Shimano 105& Stock Wheelset(Mavic Aksium) with Ritchey Superlogic Carbon Seatpost, Ritchey EvoCurve and Ritchey C260 Carbon Stem.

I would like to go for Campag Chorus and Bora One 50. I only have a few issues in which I have no idea what BB(English/Italian?)(Ultra-Torque?) to choose from, which Front Derailleur (braze-on?) and cassette options. I'm thinking 53-39 and.... (12-27)?

From the specifications on Canyon's site it states that I am using Shimano SM BB72-41B Press-Fit 86,5 X 41MM and Shimano SH FD-5800 Front Derailleur. Could anyone enlighten me?

Also if anyone disagrees with my choices and thinks that I should go for SRAM/ Shimano upgrades or another set of wheels. I am willing to hear the opinions.

I am 95KG, 180CM. I used to ride track but now I am on the road. Based in Melbourne.

What do you look to gain/ achieve with your upgrade?

I am not sure on the swap of groupset is adding any gains.
Ride a bit more on the 105 groupset and save up to something like new DA 9150 or Sram Etap.
Expectations moving from one budget groupset to another seems rather meaningless in matter of gains.
What is the meaning here?

If i were you, i would focus only on wheelsets and tires for now.
You will surely notice a lighter set of wheels (but i wonder if that is ideal with your weight) and tires.
Or looking for any kind of aero wheelset.

My buddy has Shimano Ul 6800 and 105. I have 2* Shimano DA 9000 (EE brakes, FSA K-Force BB 386, Edco Monoblock cassette, ceramic BB) and one bike with Ul Di2 6870 hydraulic.
Personally i prefer the latter.

But new Shimano DA 9100 has some neat tricks which looks nice.

Wheels is interesting, and maybe you should consider what you really like here?
Some like smoother and comfortable riding wheelsets and some like very stiff (but here is the risk you get a harsh riding bike).
It's easy to be swayed by ideals, however, it's best is if you can figure what you really look for and tune your bike towards your own ideal.

But if I bought the Shimano Campy Bora One 50, would I be able to swap the rear to Campy in the event that I upgrade to Super Record? Pardon me for my lack of knowledge as I've tried googling about it but still can't find whether it's possible. I do not want to buy the Shimano Campy Bora One 50 only to sell and then buy the Campy version later on.

[nigajoa1]

Hi.
Six months ago I changed from ZIPP404 tubular to BoraUltra50 tubular.
Now is a great satisfaction.

[bikerjulio]

But if I bought the Shimano Campy Bora One 50, would I be able to swap the rear to Campy in the event that I upgrade to Super Record? Pardon me for my lack of knowledge as I've tried googling about it but still can't find whether it's possible. I do not want to buy the Shimano Campy Bora One 50 only to sell and then buy the Campy version later on.

The answer was already posted but perhaps you missed it.

Campy and Shimano 11-speed cassettes have compatible spacing. So staying with Shimano for cassettes (way cheaper than Campy), will not prevent you from switching to a Campy group later.

[Shonn]

But if I bought the Shimano Campy Bora One 50, would I be able to swap the rear to Campy in the event that I upgrade to Super Record? Pardon me for my lack of knowledge as I've tried googling about it but still can't find whether it's possible. I do not want to buy the Shimano Campy Bora One 50 only to sell and then buy the Campy version later on.

The answer was already posted but perhaps you missed it.

Campy and Shimano 11-speed cassettes have compatible spacing. So staying with Shimano for cassettes (way cheaper than Campy), will not prevent you from switching to a Campy group later.

Ah alright. I did know somewhere in the back of my mind that they were somewhat compatible but only a slight marginal difference. I do wonder though, why do they make separate freewheels? Hmm..

Is everyone in favor of bora one 50s? Haha

[bikerjulio]

The issue of compatibility has been endlessly probed and discussed since Shimano came out with 11. It's a lot more than "somewhat". Try google.

Campy sell Campy hubs that match Campy cassettes because they like to sell Campy cassettes.

[sawyer]

In terms of performance vs outlay then Boras and 105 makes sense.

Aesthetically it would be considered a crime by many cyclists I'm afraid whatever a few Shimano turned Campag wheel riders on here say.

That will no doubt seem harsh and incredibly shallow to focus on such a trivial issue as brand congruity and aesthetics, and I quite agree ... but before flaming me get yourself over to "Introduce Yourself" and count how many posts relate to the looks of the bicycle. Clue - almost all

One minor point is although Shimano 11S and Campag 11S are often said to be totally interchangeable IME, and the experience of a few others, actually the shifting isn't quite as good when mis-matching. It would, IME, be noticeably inferior than straight 105 ... though still not bad

So if you can live with the brand issue then go 105 + Boras. Or revert to original plan and go Chorus - bike will look much better for sure

[junchen]

Actually all modern campagnolo wheels (eg bora ones) have interchangeable freehubs - u can swap between shimano / sram freehub and campagnolo freehub. It only costs about 60 usd thereabouts. U can still use shimano 11 cassette on campagnolo Groupset no prob, but if getting a fully matched wheels n Groupset is impt to u, you just need to spend a bit to get the campy freehub for ur campy wheels.



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[sawyer]

Actually all modern campagnolo wheels (eg bora ones) have interchangeable freehubs - u can swap between shimano / sram freehub and campagnolo freehub. It only costs about 60 usd thereabouts. U can still use shimano 11 cassette on campagnolo Groupset no prob, but if getting a fully matched wheels n Groupset is impt to u, you just need to spend a bit to get the campy freehub for ur campy wheels.



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Hi there, yes you're right and we know that already ... the matching issue between the groupset and wheels remains regardless of the brand of cassette used

[Shonn]

Thanks everyone for your input! It has been very helpful! I'm going 105s with Campy Bora One 50s and then I will change to Super Record in the future.