Marin wrote:Most of the super-long headtubes comes from wanting to avoid spacers, which is stupid if the tradeoff is lengthening the head tube
"Super long headtubes" Can you give examples of super long headtubes or is it only something living in your brain? When framesizes go up, headtubes grow with them, comptletely normal. Super long headtubes, its a joke right?
Only people with a bodyratio short legs/ long torso maybe complain. Just because they have a lot of reach in their bodies. The majority is the opposite. In practise often headtubes are too low. And dont look to pro's because they often have totally other requirements than most consumers. Pro's also not choose bikes but get them.
When you think that there are too many with a too long headtube for you , you probably simply are looking to the wrong bikes.
It Always amazes me that many people here give money out as water to expensive bikes and are busy with it on the most tiny detail levels, and think they are superimportant (weights, Aero etc) Trying to discuss all kinds of things on advanced levels, but . . . . . they hardly have a clue how to proper choose a bike that is a match with their purpose and requirements related to fit.
Popular format is still: you look to what bikes appeals you , choose one, and then look which size you need.