Gavf wrote:kgt wrote:High quality carbon frames still exist. Maybe Bianchi is no longer among them but compare a Hongfu FM-066 to a Time Skylon, a Colnago C60 or even a Giant TCR and then we talk.
Go on then, educate me carbon frame master.
I am ex pro (not that good, many years ago) and have at least 15+ carbon bikes in my garage, how do you determine a "high quality carbo frame"
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I work with an ex pro who's highly regarded and when it comes to bikes he's pretty clueless.
Where I work I'm around some very good pro riders and in general their knowledge and feel of bikes no better than a good weight weenies members. I never understand all the love for ex pro's when it comes to bikes, they generally ride just the very best and have them all set up for them.
They have no need to go out of their way to study all the subtle bits of bikes like weenies members.
I'm sure some pro's do but I can only think of one who I know of.
As far as no such thing as a quality carbon frame that's complete idiocy.
Anyone can feel the difference between a €300 carbon frame and a €3000 frame.
I had the misfortune to spend 6 months working for a company who sold 250-350 cheap carbon bikes a week, they were flex you, above advertised weights and often had design flaws.
I know there are some very good open open mould frames out there but I can't imagine they ride like a top end Giant, Trek, Cannondale etc.
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