Pinarello F8 XLight

[micky]

Im not saying motorcycle did damage the frame, but the picture doesn't show the motion (obviously..) and the crash was all sudden.

[prendrefeu]

Yeah, and I know that there are at least two specific members on here that tend to go ape-sh*t whenever something is questioned ...

But the moto didn't run OVER the frame. It certainly may have hit it... but in the photo the point of impact would have been the downtube or headtube area, not the chainstay.
And the chainstay is the part that broke.

Does a human being in a state of rush (ie, during a race) tend to have a good handle on everything happening in an instant? Nope. How about what is happening behind them while they are dealing with new factors (ie, suddenly in a tangle with other bodies on the ground)? Not a chance.

Does a human being, having gone through that moment, with a singular focus on getting across the line and upset emotions on what distributed 'normalcy' tend to speak in hyperbole? Yes. Everyone does this, Chris Froome is human like anyone else (we hope so anyway) - he isn't exempt from human behaviour.

Now if someone can only start yelling about "chinese frames" because Pinarello are made in china, we'll have come full circle here on Weight Weenies and can go on to live the rest of our lives in contentment.

[Calnago]

Damn Chinarellos! Not to be confused with authentic Pinarellos or other brands made in China or open mold frames where you clearly know what you're getting and the company is legit. I'm talking about the frames made in who knows whose garage with no quality control then covered up with a paint job and decals and a stolen brand name. Ok that's all, just want to make sure @prend can live in contentment, at least for today. Lol

[LionelB]

Speculating on what might have happen to this frame in a crash is ridiculous. Anything can happen in a crash.

[Calnago]

+100... exactly. It's impossible to know exactly what happened or didn't happen. Even Froomie's frail few lbs falling on it might have caused it to break. Who knows. But good job on Froomie for continuing the race, bike or no bike.

[prendrefeu]

Thanks Calnago! My day is set... I can now head back home knowing WW debates have merged.
When the F8 XLight Disc version comes out though... we may have the great trinity of all debates merged into one! It'll be EPIC.

[Calnago]

I think that debate would pale in comparsion to the Vias with discbrake identity crisis. But we'll see.

[wingguy]

But the moto didn't run OVER the frame. It certainly may have hit it... but in the photo the point of impact would have been the downtube or headtube area, not the chainstay.
And the chainstay is the part that broke.

Does a human being in a state of rush (ie, during a race) tend to have a good handle on everything happening in an instant? Nope.

Exactly that. Just like with disc brake dude, Froome lying on the floor untangling himself from Mollema and Porte probably doesn't even see whether the motorbike hit is frame or not, he just assumed.

Heck, the whole motorbike thing is basically a dead herring anyway. Does it mean that the frame is abnormally brittle if it cracked without being run over? No, of course not. Each rider crashed differently and each frame landed differently and hit different things on the way down. Any modern carbon road frame can be cracked in that kind of crash in the rght circumstances.

[jekyll man]

It could have been anything that broke it.
What we don't see anywhere is if a moto did hit it trying to move out the way of the following group, or if it was one of the riders themselves getting up out of the muddle.
It could just have easily have been a spectator tramping around in the melee.

[DavidMLee]

Even if we count Pinarello's logic to exclude riders over 75kg for performance sake..

This just proves how incompetent it is compared to competitors like AX-Lightness or even Specialized.

[iliedanila]

Even if we count Pinarello's logic to exclude riders over 75kg for performance sake..

This just proves how incompetent it is compared to competitors like AX-Lightness or even Specialized.

Over 70Kg...so it's even worse...
I couldn't say it enough myself, regarding the incompetence...If they were competent, they would've had a 90 killos limit or more.
One more thing, I didn't say anything when Froome's bike broke on Ventoux, because a motorbike crashed into it, but the second time he needed to change the bike...he didn't crashed into anything and he had to change the bike...

[wingguy]

One more thing, I didn't say anything when Froome's bike broke on Ventoux, because a motorbike crashed into it, but the second time he needed to change the bike...he didn't crashed into anything and he had to change the bike...

Most times that riders need a bike change it doesn't have anything to do with the frame. He crashed on the drive side, so he probably just bent the mech hanger.

[iliedanila]

Most times that riders need a bike change it doesn't have anything to do with the frame. He crashed on the drive side, so he probably just bent the mech hanger.

Dude, you cannot use an assumption as an argument.
You assume he might've bent the mech hanger but he didn't even tried to get on the bike, he needed a new one immediately, which invalidates your assumption.
If you cannot follow the logic, is like this: if one bents the hanger, one needs to start pedaling and/or shift some gears in order to realize the hanger is bent.

[wingguy]

Dude, you cannot use an assumption as an argument.

Exactly. Which is why you cannot draw any inference about the strength of the F8 X-Light from the fact that Froome needed a bike change.

If you cannot follow that logic, it's because you're a muppet