mimason wrote:Zigmeister wrote:With that said...for the money of Enve, kind of a joke they run DT240S hubs or Chris Kings. Yes, they are both reliable/good hubs, but they weigh a metric ton. So they might be "bomb proof" on one sense. But they will weight 70-90 grams more than a comparable set with lighter/better hubs.
I always found it baffling that a rim that costs $900 each (Enve) they lace up with DT240S hubs from the factory?!?! WTF? Some high-end build that is.
What hubs are better that are lighter and as durable? Admittedly, I'm not a huge DT fan( although I own them too) but really only due to the fact that the rear should build up stiffer imo. The hubs that I know of that are significantly better are also heavier in the form of T11s and Shimano. Thanks for your input.
You have to buy some "boutique" hubs and have them custom built. Most manufacturers end up designing/having someone build their own hubs. Enve did that with their carbon hubs. But they have no option for a good strong, light hub in aluminum. They just use some other company's brand hubs. Which aren't light by any means. 220gms for a rear hub is kind of silly today.
Tune, Extralite etc...go to fairwheel bikes, they have many boutique hubs.
My point is really targeted at Enve. They ask $950 PER RIM?!?! Nearly $2K for just the rims new. They they put some average, nothing special hub on their??? Bizarre.
At least the other manuf have designed/developed their own branded hubs to solve issues.
Anyway, not such a huge deal except when it comes to wheel strength/build/bracing angles etc.. Plus, the extra weight is at the center of the wheel, not like it is at the edges, so the weight thing isn't a huge deal in that respect.
I'm just railing on Enve here on the justification of such a price rim, and basic/reliable hub they decided to use. But, both hubs, DT240S and Chris King are reliable and nearly bomb proof. Most people would be happy.
But this is weight weenies, don't think anybody agrees that Chris King and DT Swiss are anything special other than average for a Road Bike wheel. Run of the mill I guess you could say.
I have a DT240S on my rear wheel and Alchemy Elf front, the DT240S is reliable, quiet and has been very good. But bounce up and down on the saddle while coasting, and the rim/wheel will flex and hit the left brake pad??? Haha...wow, great bracing angle and solid build. Wheel was built by one of the best builders in the business and well know. The wheel build isn't the problem, it's the hub.
Good luck. As I said, the Zipp wheel with their latest designed hubs, are probably one of the best they've ever released, hands down IMO. Enve has a great rim, use CXRay spokes/nipples, and an descent/good/reliable hub. Can't go wrong with either.
But, I just bought a set of Reynolds Strike SLG clinchers to replace my failed tubular rims from china. Selling my Tune hubs to recoup some money. They were great, until the rim/spoke hole started started pulling through!!