Gavf wrote:the difference between winning and losing can be as little as not using a seat post/saddle
Citation required.
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spookyload wrote:Gavf wrote:spookyload wrote:It's not about the bike in mountain stages.....
Of course it is (assumingyou are talking about weight), what are you talking about? Very basic physics tells you there will be a difference.
I compete in national/inter hill climb races, the difference between winning and losing can be as little as not using a seat post/saddle and cutting the drops off your bars.
This reality is not up for debate, at a fundamental level.
This is sport. Maybe psychologically at your amateur level, trimming your seatpost is going to help. But the extra 12g isn't making that much difference. Since you seem to be the expert who doesn't want to debate, please explain to us pleebs in physics, how much energy is lost per gram carried up a hill of unknown gradient. The difference between the winner an loser at the pro tour level isn't measured in grams of non-rotating mass on a bike.
spookyload wrote:This is sport. Maybe psychologically at your amateur level, trimming your seatpost is going to help. But the extra 12g isn't making that much difference. Since you seem to be the expert who doesn't want to debate, please explain to us pleebs in physics, how much energy is lost per gram carried up a hill of unknown gradient. The difference between the winner an loser at the pro tour level isn't measured in grams of non-rotating mass on a bike.
wingguy wrote:WHAT DID YOU SAY? I CAN'T HEAR YOU!!!
Henao is 15th in GC. When does GC stop being GC? Top 10 only? podium? Winner?
wingguy wrote:Maybe psychologically at your amateur level, trimming your seatpost is going to help. But the extra 12g isn't making that much difference. Since you seem to be the expert who doesn't want to debate, please explain to us pleebs in physics, how much energy is lost per gram carried up a hill of unknown gradient. The difference between the winner an loser at the pro tour level isn't measured in grams of non-rotating mass on a bike.
Gavf wrote:wingguy wrote:WHAT DID YOU SAY? I CAN'T HEAR YOU!!!
Henao is 15th in GC. When does GC stop being GC? Top 10 only? podium? Winner?
Do you understand what GC means?
Henao is obviously not GC considering Landa Ab'
I am very sorry science and very basic physics disagrees with you.
Gavf wrote:spookyload wrote:This is sport. Maybe psychologically at your amateur level, trimming your seatpost is going to help. But the extra 12g isn't making that much difference. Since you seem to be the expert who doesn't want to debate, please explain to us pleebs in physics, how much energy is lost per gram carried up a hill of unknown gradient. The difference between the winner an loser at the pro tour level isn't measured in grams of non-rotating mass on a bike.
An American said this...
The difference between the winner an loser at the pro tour level isn't measured in grams of non-rotating mass on a bike
LOL!
Gavf wrote:
spookyload wrote:
WTF kind of bars are you running that you can cut them and save 56g? Most WW bars are under 200g, so by your distorted math, you cut a 1/4 of your bars off? BTW, the majority of the weight in bars is in the top reinforced area, so I am guessing you just went ahead and cut a third of your bars off. Seems legit.
wingguy wrote:Given that Henao is top 20 in GC, and was Skys top GC rider remaining in the race when those weights were takn what on earth makes you think he is riding a bike considerably heavier than Landa's would have been? Why would they do that? Do you think Sky is in the habit of intentionally sabotaging their main hope on any given day?
wingguy wrote:Math it out for me.
wingguy wrote:(And that wasn't my quote, BTW. Mine would be 'Well d'uh, no-one cares about brakes on a hillclimb anyway')
Gavf wrote:that would be utterly stupendous.