Colnago C60 Traditional vs Slooping vs Pinarello Dogma F8

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CEVelo
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by CEVelo

The Specialissima, C60 and F8 are all amazing bikes. With the correct fit and 25mm tires, they should all be very comfortable.
I have the F8 and put more than 5k miles on it so far, and it's flat out amazing. I am sure the C60 is as well. Congrats!

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by corky

Great, well done, glad you did all the right things in deciding rather than just emotion.

Thanks for posting your follow up, there's a lot to be learned in the thread.

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CEVelo wrote:The Specialissima, C60 and F8 are all amazing bikes. With the correct fit and 25mm tires, they should all be very comfortable.
I have the F8 and put more than 5k miles on it so far, and it's flat out amazing. I am sure the C60 is as well. Congrats!



Dogma F8 is wonderfull bike. Im lucky that i had a chance to test ride it and to discover by my self.

But bike can be sometimes personal preference and in my case somehow i prefer C60 a bit more. But if there was not on stock in that moment C60, ill definetly get and Dogma F8 without waiting.

U have an amazing bike.

Some pics from the frame/bike (i still dont have many)

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Some weight related:

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The weight of the frame is 1210 gm, with headsetbearings installed, cable guide on the rear mounted and BottomBracked pressed in (i dont have tool for this, so when i was buying the frame i ask them to do it for me).

Fork non cutted 400 gm (i keep the piece that we cut, so im measuring this as well):

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Fork cutted 366 gm

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The Assembly process:

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And just the few moments before the first test ride :)

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by Asmith

Looks stunning. Congrats. Been looking at the same 3 bikes as you for my new summer bike. I already have a c59 so the c60 would be logical as I love the c59. I tried an f8 and it felt very very good, but struggling with the looks. Would you have any views on the c60 vs the Bianchi as I have managed to track down anywhere in the uk to test one out yet.

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Asmith wrote:Looks stunning. Congrats. Been looking at the same 3 bikes as you for my new summer bike. I already have a c59 so the c60 would be logical as I love the c59. I tried an f8 and it felt very very good, but struggling with the looks. Would you have any views on the c60 vs the Bianchi as I have managed to track down anywhere in the uk to test one out yet.



I also struggle with Dogma F8 look and design. It's a bit over designed for me, design that is modern and agressive, but will fade out fast (at least in my eyes, again it's stunning bike). On my test rides i test all bikes with the same wheelset and tires. Dogma F8 overall is more rigid and stiff then C60, and more similar with Specialized Tarmac let's say (but definetly better then Tarmac).In same time please dont kill me for this :), but i had a feeling that C60 is stiffer in bottom bracket part and that with C60 i climb better and the acceleration and sprint are better. In same time more comfort overall. With C60 u have a feeling that u dont ride fast, but made me pushing harder since i can feel just ask for more :). Dogma F8 had a bit better handling on downhill then C60 (but im riding C60 with 80 reach handlebar and 110mm stem, and Dogma i rode was 75mm reach and 120 mm stem, so maybe that help a lot).But this was very small difference here.

I can say about Oltre XR2 i tried. I read everywhere that is very stiff, but i done 252 km ride on this one, and feel very comfortable, and maybe less stiff then C60 and Dogma F8.Specialissima should be stiffer and more agile.Few reasons why i cancel out Bianchi:

1. Fitter was thinking that 53 cm would be too small and a lot of spacers in the front, so less rigid front part of the bike. Also he was thinking that 55 would be big and would need short stem. So main reason is that Bianchi dont offer sizes between (as Colnago and Pinarello)

2. Press fit bottom bracet is instaled directly in Carbon of the bike, and maybe is lighter solution but less reliable then C60 solution (or threaded BB of Dogma). Same apply for Headset bearings here compared to C60

3. Somehow when i was in Italy (i spend 7 days there in Treviso), everyone around who were in cycling (other near cities as well), thought that Bianchi is not on same level of quality as Colnago and Pinarello. And also not a chance to try Specialissima to find out by my self.

4. I found out a lot of reviews of Specialissima that reviewers think it's very good, but in same time u can read some negative things between lines. One of that kind of review they are saying it's great bike, but on question: Would u consider buying for ur self? Answer is NO. On Same portal review of C60 and same question, answer is YES.

5. Not so big weight difference as i first thought. The main reason why i consider Specialissima beside look, is the Climbing performance and weight. I found out on test ride that C60 is definetly very good climbing bike, and only the weight difference bother me.

But at the end i found out that this difference it's not that big, and C60 is made much more reliable so another plus for C60.


Specialissima frame weight is 779 gm in Matte Black colour but without Headset bearings and no cable guides,just bare frame

If u add glossy colour it would add at least 50 gm, headset bearings at least 100 gm and cable guide 10 gm.

So we have 939 gm

Colnago C60 is 1210 gm, but in this weight is Bottom Bracket press fit installed, which is around 30 gm. So the real weight difference is around 250-350 gm, which i decide to trade for more reliability and better size choice.Still im very interested if someone has a chance to try them both and to compare them.

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by Asmith

Excellent detail. Many thanks for sharing. Pretty much planning in the c60 in the red Art Deco like yours. Just need to decide on group set. Have campy Sr mechanical on the c59. So maybe I'll do the same again here but maybe with EPS this time. Thanks again for the details.

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by 3Pio

Asmith wrote:Excellent detail. Many thanks for sharing. Pretty much planning in the c60 in the red Art Deco like yours. Just need to decide on group set. Have campy Sr mechanical on the c59. So maybe I'll do the same again here but maybe with EPS this time. Thanks again for the details.


About groupset.. On my FP3 bike, i had a Campagnolo Veloce, and i was very satisfied, so i decide to stay with Campagnolo (and Italian bike, deserve the Italian groupset :) ). I also had a small dilemma about EPS vs Mechanical, but few times i tried EPS i did not like it. Last summer in same day i was riding Shimano and Campy EPS and i prefered Shimano, but still did not like them both compared to mechanical.

I cant find any advantage on EPS vs Mechanical (Mechanical is lighter, cheaper, more realiable, u can service easier on the road...)

Also C60 is classic and for me it was more suitable to put Mechanical groupset (i choose Campagnolo Record and Chorus Cassette. On Fp3 i was riding 50/34 with 11-28, and now i picked 52/36 with 12-29)

BTW, can someone suggest me Bottle Cages for the C60? I ride often in hot weather, so it's important to be able to use 750ml bottles without shaking and rattling. The bottles that i use in this moment are Camelback Podium (but i can switch to some others if it's needed). Im trying to decide between Tune and Colnago Carbon (Tune is 9 gm per Bottle Cage, Colnago 29 gm, so on two cages 40 gm difference). What do u suggest?

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by kgt

Amazing frame, the color looks much better in real life!
You made the right choice IMO. Colnago is a frame that will not look dated soon, while both F8 and Bianchi will. No doubt C60 is a higher quality product than the F8. Bianchis are not comparable really. I love Bianchis but they are much more generic frames in reality, closer to Specialized, Cannondale, Fuji, Merida etc.

I only wish you got the non-sloping frame.

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by PSM

So nice!

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kgt wrote:Amazing frame, the color looks much better in real life!
You made the right choice IMO. Colnago is a frame that will not look dated soon, while both F8 and Bianchi will. No doubt C60 is a higher quality product than the F8. Bianchis are not comparable really. I love Bianchis but they are much more generic frames in reality, closer to Specialized, Cannondale, Fuji, Merida etc.

I only wish you got the non-sloping frame.



My friend bike is 55 trad (the bike that i test ride it before buying), and i must admit that Trad is better looking bike of two. I was thinking that i need to decide between 50S or 55, so with fitter we talked about those two sizes and somehow totaly forgot to talk about 53cm trad. Fitter wanted as less spacers in the front, and he thought that on 55 there is not enough seatpost showing (also i did not like how it look with my seatpost height), and also that 50S is a bit stiffer bike for climbing (i can comfirm this as well). So i asked dealers around if they can find me 50S from stock, because i did not want to wait any longer :)

In meanwhile i find out that maybe 53 would work as well (even better maybe, since i'll use 120 mm stem on this), and there would be 22 to 27 mm spacers in the front (which is not ideal, but still ok), and also had a conversation about this with the fitter. He thought to go 53 if i like more racing, and 50S if i like more comfortable, but still prefer 50S because less spacers in the front. First reply from the dealers was there is no any frame on stock, and i need to wait 3 months. Then another reply from one of the dealers around that they can order me 50S from stock, and that since it's last Colnago working day before their August Holliday, i must comfirm very fast if i want the frame next day (i was leaving Italy so there was not time anymore and no time to ask again about 53 cm from stock).

So that why 50S and not trad :)

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by scb

3Pio--wow that red Art Decor looks way better in your quality pictures compared to others I've seen. I'm trying to decide on C60 color myself and am thinking about doing classic art decor in AD10 or AD4 through the custom program. Waiting to hear whether that's possible. I'm reasonably optimistic since they are still offered on the Master.

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by Calnago

Well done @3Pio, glad you took some time to think about your sizing etc. Good pics and writeup too. Re the waterbottle cages, I'd forget about the options your looking at and go straight to Arundel Dave-O cages. They come in several finishes but mostly they will hold your Camelbak bottles very well. A lot of people have the mandibles and I used to as wellX but I found the thin arms can actually slightly crush the Camelbak bottles. The Dave-O's have the same holding power but the wider arms spread that force a little more so the bottles don't get crushed and they slide in and out easier. Enjoy your new bike! It's a beauty.
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scb wrote:3Pio--wow that red Art Decor looks way better in your quality pictures compared to others I've seen. I'm trying to decide on C60 color myself and am thinking about doing classic art decor in AD10 or AD4 through the custom program. Waiting to hear whether that's possible. I'm reasonably optimistic since they are still offered on the Master.


In the moment of buying they offer me from stock choice of three colours, two from Racing colours and this Red ArtDecor. But i realized that Colnago C60 should be in ArtDecor and not some of other more generic colours (and similar to every other bike).

My friend bought ArtDecor White (2015 version), and is wonderfull.As first i wanted that colour becouse i was afraid of too much attention on this MHRD, but in live it's totaly different.It's pearl and wonderfull. Also i thought that 2015 ArtDecor is better then 2016, but in Live is different (i had a chance to see Red Art Decor from 2015 compared to mine when i was buying).. Go for ArtDecor 2016 u wont regret.

I made two pics on today ride

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Calnago wrote:Well done @3Pio, glad you took some time to think about your sizing etc. Good pics and writeup too. Re the waterbottle cages, I'd forget about the options your looking at and go straight to Arundel Dave-O cages. They come in several finishes but mostly they will hold your Camelbak bottles very well. A lot of people have the mandibles and I used to as wellX but I found the thin arms can actually slightly crush the Camelbak bottles. The Dave-O's have the same holding power but the wider arms spread that force a little more so the bottles don't get crushed and they slide in and out easier. Enjoy your new bike! It's a beauty.


Calnago thanks for kind words. I find out at the end that enjoyment wont be good if it doesnt fit me well. And i find out that is cheaper to do the professional fititng, than to buy few different stems, handlebars and every ride to readjust my self :). Also test ride help me realizing how good is C60 in real. Thanks for advice about bottle cages. Somehow i realized that i'll like to put Colnago cages as well, so do u have any experience how good they are?

Thanks

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No experience with the Colnago waterbottle cages. There's only so many logos you can have on one bike, even a Colnago :)
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by 3Pio

Calnago wrote:No experience with the Colnago waterbottle cages. There's only so many logos you can have on one bike, even a Colnago :)



That why i think about Tune :) and only 9 gm per cage :). But i can see that there is rattling with bigger bottles in the reviews :). What about Elite carbon cages? I also thought about Campangolo, but seem that they dont work well with some bottles

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