Campagnolo Record 10 Speed Ultra Torque Chainset

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by bikerjulio

OK I think we are saying the same thing.

Like to hear back from OP as to any progress.
There's sometimes a buggy.
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One.

So let's just say I'm drivin' this buggy...
and if you fix your attitude you can ride along with me.

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Very odd. Pic are needed for us to help properly or a trip to a shop.

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by cmcdonnell

Dropped off at LBS this morning and am awaiting feedback. On brief inspection they think the frame just can't take a standard crankset as it looks very tight with the compact put back on. I did try to install the ultra torque cranks fully but as I was tightening the bolt the RH crank was on the chain stay so I stopped. Wavy washer fitted on LH as per instructions. Either there's s fundamental compatibility issue between the 2006 Ghisallo and Ultra Torque or my frames damaged or misaligned. I have emailed Litespeed for feedback too
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by bikerjulio

Just google Litespeed Ghisallo images as I just did, and one of the first has a Record UT 53/39 crankset.

I don't know when it first came out (2002?) but it was before the popularity of compact cranksets took off. I cannot believe it won't take a standard crankset. Unless it's bent of course.

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http://singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/fs-itespeed-ghisallo-s-full-record-wcs-carbon
There's sometimes a buggy.
How many drivers does a buggy have?

One.

So let's just say I'm drivin' this buggy...
and if you fix your attitude you can ride along with me.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GekiIMh4ZkM

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by AJS914

Very strange. I'll be curious to learn the outcome.

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by cmcdonnell

That pic is my frame, it's the 2006 Ghisallo which was a lot stiffer than previous models and had loads of asymmetrical tubing.
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by cmcdonnell

Still waiting for a call from the LBS. Dreading it as I'm feeling the frame must be damaged or something as seemingly it should should work fine. Really don't want to have to get a new bike at the moment.
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by bikerjulio

If a Shimano crank fits, then a Campy one should as well. Chainlines are within a fraction of a mm as I recall. Listed as identical 43.5 mm for both.

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There's sometimes a buggy.
How many drivers does a buggy have?

One.

So let's just say I'm drivin' this buggy...
and if you fix your attitude you can ride along with me.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GekiIMh4ZkM

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by cmcdonnell

LBS says it does not fit and they have never seen anything like it. Put a new MegaEXO BB back in and got some 52/36 chainrings and it's working but am gutted that Ultra Torque (53/39) is a no go as I'd been considering upgrading to full Chorus 11 on this bike
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by bikerjulio

Commonly a frame manufacturer using fatter chainstays would flatten them locally to provide both chainring and tire clearance. Cannondale is an example.

On your frame the tire looks tight as well.

It would be useful if you could find other Ghisallo owners to compare with.
There's sometimes a buggy.
How many drivers does a buggy have?

One.

So let's just say I'm drivin' this buggy...
and if you fix your attitude you can ride along with me.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GekiIMh4ZkM

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by bikerjulio

I found some good images from an old eBay listing. Here is one.

It looks to me like the chainstays are slightly offset to the NDS on this frame. On yours it looks like the opposite. Which would cause your problem.

So I don't know if this offset (if it is really there), is deliberate or a manufacturing error.

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Check your frame carefully and see if my impression is right.

A solution might be to face down the NDS a few mm and add a spacer under the DS cup.

Check the shell width too and if you go ahead with my suggestion, space it out to Campy max spec which is 68.8 mm going from memory.

So it's still possible to fit your crank I believe.

ps. Too late now but that's not a great thread title, since the issue is nothing to do with the fact that it's a Campy crankset. Shimano or others would have probably had the same problem with this frame. Some provenance on it might have helped too.
There's sometimes a buggy.
How many drivers does a buggy have?

One.

So let's just say I'm drivin' this buggy...
and if you fix your attitude you can ride along with me.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GekiIMh4ZkM

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by Valbrona

It is a defective frame.

Bad idea for anyone TIG welding a frame to use round chainstays.

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by rmerka

Did you buy the frame used? As bikerjulio suggested measure your BB shell and use a spacer. If this is a used frame perhaps too many times someone has decided it needed to be faced and too much material has been removed?

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by bikerjulio

Picture #4 as an example.

It looks clear to me in this picture from the OP that the chainstays are not centered on the BB shell. Look and compare how each meets the shell.
Look at the distance from the side of the stay to the edge of the shell. There would appear to be several mm difference.

If this is the case then as Valbrona says it's a defective frame. Litespeed's QC must have gone downhill to produce something this bad. Frame's probably been getting passed around like a hot potato ever since.

As I said already, face down the NDS by a few mm and add corresponding spacers to the DS, and it should be useable.

http://weightweenies.starbike.com/forum/download/file.php?id=61671&mode=view
There's sometimes a buggy.
How many drivers does a buggy have?

One.

So let's just say I'm drivin' this buggy...
and if you fix your attitude you can ride along with me.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GekiIMh4ZkM

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by cmcdonnell

I've had the bike from new in 2006 and it's enevr been crashed. I'm 56-58 kg and the frame is a small. It was initially built by Sigma Sport with Campy Chorus. Measured the BB shell and its pretty much bang on 68mm and I reckon it would need another 5mm to get the correct chainline based on where the chainrings would sit according to the current (correct?) front mech position. Litespeed are saying i must be using the wrong UT cups but so far as i can see there are no other options?
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