kgt wrote:@tranzformer
The Scott (always according to the Tour's test) is better than the Madone and much better than the vias. i.e. 1.4 is waayy better than 1.7.
Even if the price is the same, still, neither the Madone nor the VIAS are worth it. Not to mention the Aeroad which is also better than both the Madone and the vias and much cheaper as well.
No?
I could not care less about any of these bikes but you just started the cyberbullying about me, my bike etc. etc.
Not cyber bullying. Just pointing out fallacies in your statements.
1. The Madone 9 (and Shiv ViAS for that matter) are not more expensive than a similarly spec'd Scott Foil and are the same price (Shiv slightly more here in USA). Therefore your statement of the "exhorbitant price" of Trek is false as it is priced equally to Scott.
2. Your Cippo Bond frameset costs the same new in USA as a Trek Madone H2 frameset. Yet the Trek comes with the cockpit and brakes, actually making it cheaper than your Cippo Bond frame. So potentially making a Cippo Bond owner the same kind of idiot as a Trek Madone owner.
3. Canyon's are not offered for sale in every country, not to mention not all consumers are willing to wait 4-6 months for an order.
4. A 1.4 (Scott and Canyon) score vs. a 1.5 (Trek) score is not that big of a difference in my opinion and basically a wash when you consider the Tour Magazins favoritism for German bikes. One could weight the scoring much differently and Coke to however end result one would.
I find it funny for someone who doesn't believe in science and math (regarding benefit of aerodynamics in cycling) believes in the supposed science and math that Tour uses for their comparison testing and use that as some end all.
The Tour test is good for what it is, getting numerical values according to the testing they do in their lab. That is great. The more complex stuff is knowing how their stiffness and comfort numbers project to real world performance. We aren't quite there yet. At least with aero we know what a 15w difference means on the road.