Chinese replica frames, warning

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by VengeSWrks

I have owned and rode a copied Venge and I can tell you for sure that it is nowhere near the quality of an original.

Fake Venge - Weak and flimsy
Real Venge - Light and very stiff
Fake Venge - Downhill rides are very scary and any beyond 35mph will make you pee your pants due to its unstable character.
Real Venge - Rides on rails and will want you to go faster.

After riding the real Venge, I will never again purchase a fake.

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Fiery wrote:True in general, but no amount of crank and tyre flex can make the tyre touch the chainstay - only frame and/or wheel flex will do that. Then if the same thing happens with different wheels, the cause can quite confidently be narrowed down to just the frame.


Your foot must be calibrated more carefully than mine. When I've watched people do this "test" they tend to step down harder and harder until they see flex.

@Junior7- China is a country, not a manufacturer.

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Suwoni wrote:I frame, China is not buy.
Cheap and meat is good to look at,
Safety is because there are no guarantees
Accessory kind is purchased from China,
About the safety frame like product is not buying.


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Junior7 wrote:

But these frames undergo a strict quality control of factories.

Frames sold by the Chinese do not.

I suspect you are postulating the bolded quote. It is not something you know for a fact.
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by rpenmanparker

prendrefeu wrote:
Junior7 wrote:99% of Chinese frames are trash....


Buy a cheap or used original.


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Like a Specialized? That's a Chinese frame.
Or maybe a Bianchi? Chinese
Or a Cannondale? Chinese
Or maybe a Merida? Chinese
Or a Canyon? Chinese
Or, I know, a Rose? Chinese
Or a Boardman? Chinese
Or, perhaps, you were thinking a Cervelo? Chinese
We can keep going if you want.

You know quite well that folks don't mean Taiwan when they say China in a discussion like this. Maybe in any discussion. To pretend that Specialized (Merida) and Cannondale are made in China is disingenuous. Same for Giant which you didn't mention but might just as well have. There are excellent frames made in China, yes, but just not all the ones you have listed.
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Hey Robert,

... actually, I know my geography quite well, and I wrote what I wrote intentionally.
No, it's not because of the actual conflict between Taiwan and China (which I hold, personally, as separate countries).

Cervelo, Specialized are made in Guangdong... which is... OMG... in..... CHINA. Mainland China. Not Taiwan. Actual China. You know, the China that bigots are so afraid of. That China.

And speaking from knowledge of the industry itself, yes even the stuff that used to be made in Taiwan has since moved to China because the quality of production has caught up and labor costs are cheaper. Even Taiwanese companies are outsourcing to China and have been doing so for quite some time now.

There is a strong likelihood that, yes, Cannondale frames (a few if not all) have been outsourced to China as well.

...and you pointed out that I didn't mention Giant yet state "I might as well have"
Uh, no, sorry. I intentionally did not state Giant and that "might as well have" is just you, dude. I wasn't listing every brand under the sun, that is not a blind list.

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prendrefeu wrote: ... No, it's not because of the actual conflict between Taiwan and China (which I hold, personally, as separate countries)...


LOL ... let's not go there ... LOL
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naambezet wrote:Have had contact with them and they say the frame is perfectly normal, so you guys are warned, I will take my loss and find a new frame/bike


They are probably correct. Every frame flexes like that.

Your tire is contacting because it's too big for the clearance. I have >40k miles on a generic chinese frame and I can put 30mm tires on the rear and not rub, because there is room. Does fine on >50mph descents too.

My old Trek TT frame, made in Wisconsin, ridden by pros (Lance for instance), not only flexes like a mofo, I can't put anything bigger than a 22mm tire on it because the clearance is tight.

To people who are recommending buying used bikes, that is at least as risky as buying generic chinese, unless you know exactly what that frame has been though. Carbon damage is usually undetectable until it breaks in two.
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by darnellrm

"Carbon damage is usually undetectable until it breaks in two."

That is ludicrous. Any impact with enough force to damage a carbon frame is certainly going to leave evidence on the surface.

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by AJS914

Live in fear and don't buy used frames. Better deals for me!

I'm on my 5th used high end carbon frame without an issue. It's like buying a used car. You can tell if a bike was abused. And I paid less than the retail cost of my Colango C59 for all 5 frames.

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by darnellrm

Me too!! I have had literally dozen of carbon frames since the early 90's and the only 2 I had issues with were both bought new from LBS.

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