New wheels - Honest opinions only please!!
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Hello fellow WW !
I am currently looking at getting a new set of wheels for my bike! (new wheel day almost as good as new bike day!)
Current bike is as follows:
2014 Avanti Corsa DR. 56.5 Size
Full Shimano Dura-Ace 9000
Pro Vibe Stem & Bars.
Prologo Zero2 Nack Carbon saddle.
ZIPP 60 Wheels
The bike currently with the above setup weighs 7.2kg (inc pedals and bottlecages)
The current wheels on the bike are a semi-carbon alloy clincher, 58mm deep and around 1870g all up!
I am after getting a Carbon Clincher that is at-least/close as aero dynamic as these wheels yet alot lighter! These set of wheels will be my only set of wheels for the bike in all conditions!
My riding is split between the following:
45% on long flat open roads
45% on Ardennes type terrain (lots of steep short climbs)
10% on Alpine regions (ie long seated climbs >800m gained per climb)
When up to speed/sprinting the weight of my current wheels doesnt matter (aero takes over) but on some steep short climbs (ie 800-900m @17%) I can feel they hold me back just a little bit! I am therefore tossing up between getting wheels that are either around 40mm deep or 55-60mm deep!
The wheels I am considering are:
- ZIPP 303
- ZIPP 404
- MAVIC CC40
- ENVE SES 45
- VISION 55 METRON CLINCHER
- VISION 40 METRON CLINCHER
Any honest opinions on the above would be much appreciated based on my riding breakdown! I am hoping to at least shave 200-300g off the bikes weight bringing it near the current 6.8kg weight limit!
I am currently looking at getting a new set of wheels for my bike! (new wheel day almost as good as new bike day!)
Current bike is as follows:
2014 Avanti Corsa DR. 56.5 Size
Full Shimano Dura-Ace 9000
Pro Vibe Stem & Bars.
Prologo Zero2 Nack Carbon saddle.
ZIPP 60 Wheels
The bike currently with the above setup weighs 7.2kg (inc pedals and bottlecages)
The current wheels on the bike are a semi-carbon alloy clincher, 58mm deep and around 1870g all up!
I am after getting a Carbon Clincher that is at-least/close as aero dynamic as these wheels yet alot lighter! These set of wheels will be my only set of wheels for the bike in all conditions!
My riding is split between the following:
45% on long flat open roads
45% on Ardennes type terrain (lots of steep short climbs)
10% on Alpine regions (ie long seated climbs >800m gained per climb)
When up to speed/sprinting the weight of my current wheels doesnt matter (aero takes over) but on some steep short climbs (ie 800-900m @17%) I can feel they hold me back just a little bit! I am therefore tossing up between getting wheels that are either around 40mm deep or 55-60mm deep!
The wheels I am considering are:
- ZIPP 303
- ZIPP 404
- MAVIC CC40
- ENVE SES 45
- VISION 55 METRON CLINCHER
- VISION 40 METRON CLINCHER
Any honest opinions on the above would be much appreciated based on my riding breakdown! I am hoping to at least shave 200-300g off the bikes weight bringing it near the current 6.8kg weight limit!
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Poonjabby wrote:Consider Roval CLX40's
Whilst I acknowledge Rovas make an exceptional wheel, I would rather go for a brand that is "brand neutral". As Specialized is Roval I would not go for them! Similar with Syncros which is Scott
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Easton EC90SL front (38mm), Aero 55 rear (55mm)?
Clincher version in your case, i guess.
Clincher version in your case, i guess.
Bikes:
Ax Lightness Vial EVO Race (2019.01.03)
Open *UP* (2016.04.14)
Paduano Racing Fidia (kind of shelved)
Ex bike; Vial EVO D, Vial EVO Ultra, Scott Foil, Paduano ti bike.
Ax Lightness Vial EVO Race (2019.01.03)
Open *UP* (2016.04.14)
Paduano Racing Fidia (kind of shelved)
Ex bike; Vial EVO D, Vial EVO Ultra, Scott Foil, Paduano ti bike.
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wheelsONfire wrote:Easton EC90SL front (38mm), Aero 55 rear (55mm)?
Clincher version in your case, i guess.
Keener to get a complete set rather than mix-match
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That's cool! I think the 38mm is lighter, especially if you'd go tubular it make sense.
I might go for the suggested as rims would actually match in width. The 38mm front will not cause any steering issues even in cross winds.
I think the Aero 55 clincher is actually 1690g, it is very wide at 28mm.
Tubular 38mm version is like 1175g i think, so it is rather light with that width.
There are some tapes working really good. So for weight saving tubular is no bad idea.
I might go for the suggested as rims would actually match in width. The 38mm front will not cause any steering issues even in cross winds.
I think the Aero 55 clincher is actually 1690g, it is very wide at 28mm.
Tubular 38mm version is like 1175g i think, so it is rather light with that width.
There are some tapes working really good. So for weight saving tubular is no bad idea.
Bikes:
Ax Lightness Vial EVO Race (2019.01.03)
Open *UP* (2016.04.14)
Paduano Racing Fidia (kind of shelved)
Ex bike; Vial EVO D, Vial EVO Ultra, Scott Foil, Paduano ti bike.
Ax Lightness Vial EVO Race (2019.01.03)
Open *UP* (2016.04.14)
Paduano Racing Fidia (kind of shelved)
Ex bike; Vial EVO D, Vial EVO Ultra, Scott Foil, Paduano ti bike.
I Know you wanted clincher....but here are my recommendation
2015 Campagnolo Ultra Bora 35/50mm
2015 Corima MCC S+
It is 1.2 & 1.1kg respectively....light enough to climb, fast enough on flats...
And if you are concern about tubular repair(or the typical myth of a tour car support sort), see this...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4GoA9v6ZR0c
Some even reported it fixing a 5mm cut successfully.
2015 Campagnolo Ultra Bora 35/50mm
2015 Corima MCC S+
It is 1.2 & 1.1kg respectively....light enough to climb, fast enough on flats...
And if you are concern about tubular repair(or the typical myth of a tour car support sort), see this...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4GoA9v6ZR0c
Some even reported it fixing a 5mm cut successfully.
I don't have any experience with the wheels listed, but I do own Enve 3.4 tubulars on Tune hubs and they're fantastic, as I'm sure all of the wheels you list are.
However, based on your riding, I can't recommend any carbon clincher. That 10% Alpine riding is a serious risk on a carbon clincher. A long, steep descent, stuck behind a slow truck or bus and there is a real risk of overheating the rim. When your speed is dictated by another vehicle on the road, there can be a problem. I have personally experienced this and there is plenty of comments on this board about this risk.
Probably 99.something% of the time you'll be fine, but, there might be a time you're not. That's one of the reasons I went tubular on my Enves.
However, based on your riding, I can't recommend any carbon clincher. That 10% Alpine riding is a serious risk on a carbon clincher. A long, steep descent, stuck behind a slow truck or bus and there is a real risk of overheating the rim. When your speed is dictated by another vehicle on the road, there can be a problem. I have personally experienced this and there is plenty of comments on this board about this risk.
Probably 99.something% of the time you'll be fine, but, there might be a time you're not. That's one of the reasons I went tubular on my Enves.
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If you choose Zipp I would recommend the 404, the difference between the 404 and the 303 is minimal, you wont even notice it and the 404 is more aero and looks better IMHO. The mavic Cosmic 40c is also a very nice wheelset but I think it has old technology because of its rim width. I dont know about vision wheels but the Enve is also a top quality wheelset. I have own all of them but in the tubular version, except for the Vision and instead of the 4.5s I ride 6.7 Enves. Ive also ridden Campagnolo Boras and definitely, if money is no object, I would recommend Enves or the Campagnolo Boras.
And one last tip: dont be afraid of tubulars, you will love them!
And one last tip: dont be afraid of tubulars, you will love them!
I'd second considering tubular. A 404 or enve tubular wheel is going to give you the whole deal, a weight difference you can feel, better feel, and tire durability. In 2014 I've run 3 pairs of tubs in a row on 404s without a single flat ~8,000 miles. This is in New England where the roads are total crap. It's worth the gluing time. I won't even look at deep section clinchers until prices or weights come down.
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I would also recommend going to a tubular tire. I have a few different bikes and a few different wheel options BUT… everyone of my wheel options is a tubular.
I live in Colorado and the weather and conditions can change quite often and I ride a lot of gravel type roads and my tubulars have held up with no issues. Vittoria has a inflate can called Pit Stop that I carry with me and have only had to use it once in the past three years (knock on wood) that works great if you do get a flat.
I have used Vittoria Specialized Challenge and Dugast tubulars and would recommend them all.
As far as the wheels go you can't go wrong with Zipp or Enve. I have a set of the Enve 1.25 and love them. I also have several sets of Shimano (C24 C35 AND C50) wheels and would HIGHLY recommend them as well.
I live in Colorado and the weather and conditions can change quite often and I ride a lot of gravel type roads and my tubulars have held up with no issues. Vittoria has a inflate can called Pit Stop that I carry with me and have only had to use it once in the past three years (knock on wood) that works great if you do get a flat.
I have used Vittoria Specialized Challenge and Dugast tubulars and would recommend them all.
As far as the wheels go you can't go wrong with Zipp or Enve. I have a set of the Enve 1.25 and love them. I also have several sets of Shimano (C24 C35 AND C50) wheels and would HIGHLY recommend them as well.
The only three I would consider are Zipp, Enve, or Campy Bora. I ended up choosing Bora One mainly because I have an all Italian bike (Dogma/Super Record). The wheels have not come in yet so I cannot comment on them yet.
It's all downhill from here, except for the uphills.
Enve, Corima or Fulcrum for me.
I 100% agree you should go tubular. As long as you get used to ride em and see by yourself that these are more practical to use than clinchers (yes indeed) you won't go back.
I 100% agree you should go tubular. As long as you get used to ride em and see by yourself that these are more practical to use than clinchers (yes indeed) you won't go back.
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Many thanks to everyones assistance!!
I was tossing up between clincher and tubular and was leaning more clincher but tubular does in effect make alot of sense!!
Having said that, I believe I have narrowed my clincher search down to either ZIPP404 or the CC40s....
If I were to go down the Clincher path which set would people go for out of the 2?? (404 or CC40)
I was tossing up between clincher and tubular and was leaning more clincher but tubular does in effect make alot of sense!!
Having said that, I believe I have narrowed my clincher search down to either ZIPP404 or the CC40s....
If I were to go down the Clincher path which set would people go for out of the 2?? (404 or CC40)