Baum Ristretto vs Pegoretti Marcello

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Harmitc
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by Harmitc

LionelB wrote:
Harmitc wrote:The exhibition that I mentioned in my post was "Bespoked" a UK show that specialises in handbuilt frames. I wanted (I still do) a frame from a manufacturer with some history and heritage. I also want an Italian manufacturer if possible. As to frames with "impeccable welds". I'am not looking for the impossible. Far from it. Many frames on display would happily meet the criteria. However many are from what I call "new age" builders that while I'am sure ride beautifully don't have the heritage I'am looking for. This is just a sunny Sunday bike. So I want it to be special. Some of the more mundane manufacturers who have much higher outputs seemed more consistent in their quality. I really wanted a Pegoretti, I love the paint, I love the passion that seems to be within the company. But, I also want to open the box and find a frame with consistent tig work, no lumpy bottom brackets and undercut rear drop outs. As has been mentioned, at this level of course you want to ride it, but I also want it to be good detail.


If you want a Peg you have to embrace it all, if you start nitpicking on this or that a Peg is not for you. It would be like asking Dario for a sloping TT.


It's not for me, that's why I haven't ordered one.

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Harmitc wrote:
wilwil wrote:Harmitc. Are these smooth enough?
http://www.dario-pegoretti.com/blob/po2 ... t421zg9ahs


I can only comment on what I've seen with my own eyes. Wish I'd never mentioned it now.

Don't be.

It's actually one of the most well articulated descriptions of what someone wants from their next bicycle that I have read - on here or any other forum.

That it doesn't sit well with Peg owners isn't your fault. Bravo for being clear on what you're looking for.

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by Harmitc

Tinea Pedis wrote:
Harmitc wrote:
wilwil wrote:Harmitc. Are these smooth enough?
http://www.dario-pegoretti.com/blob/po2 ... t421zg9ahs


I can only comment on what I've seen with my own eyes. Wish I'd never mentioned it now.

Don't be.

It's actually one of the most well articulated descriptions of what someone wants from their next bicycle that I have read - on here or any other forum.

That it doesn't sit well with Peg owners isn't your fault. Bravo for being clear on what you're looking for.


Thanks!

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by wilwil

I don't think they're smooth enough. Im not defending them I thought this was an example that proved your point. There are much better examples of TIG on his website, with some very revealing photographs, so it does seem to be the luck of the draw. The welds on mine are much better than this but not perfect in places. In case you hadn't realised his new site is now live. Maybe if you were to order you could tell him the welds have to be perfect.

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by LionelB

wilwil wrote:Maybe if you were to order you could tell him the welds have to be perfect.

This would be pretty pompous. :shock:

Harmitc
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by Harmitc

wilwil wrote:I don't think they're smooth enough. Im not defending them I thought this was an example that proved your point. There are much better examples of TIG on his website, with some very revealing photographs, so it does seem to be the luck of the draw. The welds on mine are much better than this but not perfect in places. In case you hadn't realised his new site is now live. Maybe if you were to order you could tell him the welds have to be perfect.


Apologies, I didn't realise you shared my opinion. I viewed the pics on my telephone so it's impossible to see any detail. I'll look at the site when I've got a proper screen.

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by nickf

I do embrace all that is peg and will own one some day. BUT when i first got to hold a frame in my hands i have to agree with Harmitic. After seeing a Firefly or a Moots i was a bit disappointed with the pegs welds. Big blob on the rear dropout, not even filed down. Inconsistency in the beads, high/low spots. BUT after meeting the man and the art that he paints on his frames im sold.

Harmitc wrote:Off course you can file down a weld, off course you can fill it. You can judge basic qualities by looking at it. Apart from being inconsistent in finish, frames I've viewed have had undercutting which is a sign of possible weakness. Would it matter on a bike, probably not. But to me, when I'am paying all that money to have less than 10 tubes stuck together I expect it to be good. I don't expect to easily spot untidy detail. The paint finish is beautiful and I'am sure they ride great. I've viewed frames at bike shows on two specific occasions with the intention of placing an order. The first time, welds on the BB were lumpy and unsightly. I didn't expect that on such an expensive frame. I passed on it, didn't order. The following year I went to the same show with the same intention of ordering a frame having read so much about Pegoretti's attention to detail. First frame I looked at had undercutting on the rear welds on both drop outs. Again perfect paint. I didn't place an order and now probably never will. I love the paint and I'am sure they ride like a dream. But with a background in engineering, and fabrication my eye is unfortunately drawn to the detail. Lots of other frames at the same show in the same price bracket showed unmolested welds but of considerably better consistency. I can only speak as I find.

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by Wingnut

With regard to the OP I feel there are issues with both Baum (price, limited colour scheme) and Pegoretti (welds)...I would consider broadening the scope as there are many more manufacturers equally as good, if not better than both of them available...

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by FreaK

Inquiring minds and all that, what did you end up getting?
Thought about a Stelbel? There's a degree of heritage there and a more race oriented construction.
http://www.cycleexif.com/stelbel-sb03
it's actually possible to come to the conclusion even before realising it makes no sense at all
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by jooo

A more race oriented construction? What the heck does that mean?

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by Wonderman

What about 'field' a uk brand there is one in the gallery that has a fantastic paint job, just a thought as I don't know much about this sector of the market.

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by FreaK

I'm saying big fat stiffness first tubes and no fancy paint job to get scratched up racing.
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It was admittedly a bit pretentious a thing to say.
it's actually possible to come to the conclusion even before realising it makes no sense at all
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