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PostPosted: Tue Aug 12, 2014 12:41 pm 
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As these can be had at aabout he same price, what would be recommended for road racing.

Which is better in terms of:

Aero
Stiffness
Strength

Im assuming the Zipps will come with the new V9 hub that doesnt fail.

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PostPosted: Mon Aug 25, 2014 9:28 pm 
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I could only comment on the 404s as I have used and enjoyed them. Mine were clinchers though. Never had any problems.

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PostPosted: Mon Aug 25, 2014 9:42 pm 
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Same price? I think you can even get the assaults with a power tap for like $800 less than the latest firecrests.

Wow I did just see some brand 2014 sets for ~ 1700 on ebay. I'd get the zipps! I use the 404 tubs as my primary wheels and also use the Ritchey branded Assault clinchers. I really like both wheels, but the Zipps are the winner for me. For some reason it's the feel of the front wheel that I rprefer on the zipps, it feels more solid out of the saddle and over rough spots. It may hold speed a little better as well when you get up over 40kph or so on flats with a sustained hard effort. You can get rolling like a unstoppable tron bike.

I'm sure the Assault Tubs are nice and feel even better than the clinchers, so my info may not help much. I just think you can't go wrong with the zipps, and they give great support - I popped a QR and also needed a end cap for my hub and they mailed it out free after a brief text chat. Other than that the hubs have been solid (2013 and 14 models), you just have to preload them properly and care for your bearings. Put some veloflex, vittoria or fmb tires on either of those wheel sets and you will love the ride.


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PostPosted: Mon Aug 25, 2014 9:54 pm 
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Yesterday I was riding and chatting with a guy about the 404 vs. 58 Aero. This guy is the current Masters 30-35 National Road Race Champ - he's a pretty big guy and makes enormous amounts of power. He's spent the last two years on 404FC tubular and clinchers and just started riding the 58s due to team commitments. He said he likes the Reynolds and they feel pretty sturdy... though he wasn't riding them because he broke a spoke on a training ride Saturday. He seems to favor the 404 quite a bit due to handling characteristics. He said the sharper angle of the rim didn't handle wing quite as well as the Zipp.

I don't believe the Assault has the same rim profile so this anecdote might mean all of zilch to you.


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PostPosted: Sat Aug 30, 2014 10:24 pm 
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http://www.merlincycles.com/pair-of-zipp-firecrest-carbon-tubular-wheels-68108.html

Ended up buying a barely used set of 2014 DA C50 9000 tubulars instead for £750.

The Zipps were sorely tempting, but more than happy with the C50s for half the price...

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Thanks. This is good for me


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PostPosted: Tue Apr 14, 2015 2:30 pm 
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Same Price? It's not possible..
Take a seriously look at the ZIPP-state


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PostPosted: Mon Apr 27, 2015 10:42 am 
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if price doesn't matter, unconditionally Zipp!


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PostPosted: Mon Apr 27, 2015 12:37 pm 
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2014 Zipp 404 is more better


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PostPosted: Fri Jul 24, 2015 1:32 am 
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I just got a like new set of 2014 Zipp 404 Tubulars, for a steal of a price. So far they feel great and seem to hold speed really well, a perfect match for my BMC TMR01 .

They have good set of Coni GP4000 22mm on them, I cant say I like the 22mm size tho, its a bit narrow and very low profile.

What 24mm or 25mm Tubular tires are you guys using on your Zipp 404s ?

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PostPosted: Fri Jul 24, 2015 3:30 am 
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I have used Schwalbe One Tubs and right now Im using Veloflex. I can say that Veloflex is just a better tire. At the moment Im using Arenbergs in the back and Carbons on front. Awesome tires.

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PostPosted: Thu Aug 06, 2015 1:39 pm 
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Zipp 404 better than Reynolds. Because design is good.


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Going to slip in a vote for Reynolds. They stop much better (in my opinion) than Zipps, and they are superior rims in terms of strength and longevity.

Not sure about aerodynamic data though, i f that is the true priority I'm sure Zipp has put more R&D into that.

Reynolds hubs are also fantastic and don't shear in half like Zipps do.

Really it just depends on what type of riding you do. I do a lot of climbing and could care less about aerodynamics. I've put a lot of miles on zipp firecrests as well as reynolds. The reynolds have always held up better and hold up to heat under braking so much better than the Zipps.

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