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PostPosted: Wed Jun 11, 2014 12:38 am 
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Can't seem to find any info on how this cassette works? It's listed as being suitable for Shimano 9/10 speed free hubs and works with Campagnolo 11 speed shifting, so assumedly Shimano 11 too? But how? The MFG website is pretty vague, just saying the cogs are machined, how have they managed it? Anybody using one? Performance? Any other similar options out there?

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I've used the 10 speed version and it sniftered well using a Shimano wheel with a Campy drive train. Are Campy and Shimano cassette spacing between the cogs the same? Might want to email them and ask them whatever your concerns are.

http://wheelsmfg.com/contacts

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PostPosted: Wed Jun 11, 2014 1:33 pm 
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Cog spacings are the same.

My understanding is that the cassette would work in a lot of cases, but depending on the hub and spoking, there could be interference in some cases between the big sprocket and the wheel.

The 11-speed cassette dishes the big sprocket closer to the wheel, and the Shimano spacer is omitted.

The issue occurs because Shimano brand hubs, and those that followed their flange dimensions, put the right flange a couple of mm further to the right than a Campy hub or a "unversal" hub designed either for Shimano or Campy freehubs.

Since the latter type provides room for a Campy 11 cassette, it follows that there should be no problem with a Shimano 11 which has the same width.

Since we are working with fractions of a mm, it probably becomes a try it and see issue with a Shimano brand hub or wheel. A thin spacer may still be necessary.

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PostPosted: Wed Jun 11, 2014 9:18 pm 
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I'd certainly like to try the 11 speed cassette on my Gen 1 Lightweights, anybody else tried?

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Juanmoretime wrote:
I've used the 10 speed version and it sniftered well using a Shimano wheel with a Campy drive train. Are Campy and Shimano cassette spacing between the cogs the same? Might want to email them and ask them whatever your concerns are.

http://wheelsmfg.com/contacts


I did just that thinking this would solve my issue of the 10sp CM MTB hub not having a suitable freehub to run 11 speed.

I thought that maybe, it's a simple way of going 11sp without having to get another hub for the rear wheel.

The reply I got from WM was that it was NOT designed to be able to run an 11sp cassette on a 9/10 sp Shimano freehub body (and thereby getting a sneaky way of getting 11sp on a 10sp Shimano freehub).

:roll: :cry:

So if it doesn't do that, WTF does it do ??????

As pointed out above, 11sp Shimano & Campagnolo spacing is the same, so ..... :noidea:


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PostPosted: Thu Jun 12, 2014 12:25 am 
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here is what they say on their site, which is in agreement with my post

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11 Speed Shifting Conversion Cassettes
Install 11 Shimano cogs on Shimano cassette for use with 11 speed Campagnolo shifters
Reliable Shimano ramping for excellent shifting


All wheelset-compatible with the exception of Shimano Dura Ace or Ultegra factory wheelsets (not hubs laced on standard rims), and Chris King.

Notes
For best results, use 11 speed Ergo levers, 11 speed derailleur, and 11 speed chain.
Requires an 11 speed chain
11 speed crankset is NOT required
Bar end shifters are NOT recommended


The only thing wrong with this is that an 11-speed Shimano shifting setup should work fine too. No reason why not.

http://wheelsmfg.com/products/rear-drivetrain/cassette-conversions.html

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bikerjulio wrote:
Cog spacings are the same.


Close enough anyway.

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My understanding is that the cassette would work in a lot of cases, but depending on the hub and spoking, there could be interference in some cases between the big sprocket and the wheel.
The 11-speed cassette dishes the big sprocket closer to the wheel, and the Shimano spacer is omitted.
The issue occurs because Shimano brand hubs, and those that followed their flange dimensions, put the right flange a couple of mm further to the right than a Campy hub or a "unversal" hub designed either for Shimano or Campy freehubs.
Since the latter type provides room for a Campy 11 cassette, it follows that there should be no problem with a Shimano 11 which has the same width.
Since we are working with fractions of a mm, it probably becomes a try it and see issue with a Shimano brand hub or wheel. A thin spacer may still be necessary.


Yep, good info. The 11spd cassette is 2.85mm wider. So you need to find 2.85mm of extra room either towards the spokes, or towards the dropout, or some combination of the two. Check your current clearance and see if you think you can do it. If so, you *might* be able to make this cassette work.

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I'm confused now :noidea: I wish MFG would go into a little more detail about their cassette.

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I see there are info about these cassettes from before Shimano went 11-speed, so hopefully it is only the info that is currently not updated on their homepage.

Anyone managed to confirm this?


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From my research online on the same subject looks like you can run any 11 speed cassette regardless of brand. While they might not be perfect to each other it will shift fine. (http://fitwerx.com/campagnolo-shimano-a ... mpatiblity)

Now if what you are trying to achieve is run an 11 speed cassette on a 10 speed shimano hub this might be a good solution.


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I was hoping to run some of my shimano 10 speed race wheels with a 11 speed super record bike so I picked up one of these. But I could not get it to work.

With no spacer the hub contacts the spokes, with the smallest spacer there is not enough hub to fully engage the 11t sprocket.

Maybe it could work with other wheels.


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JackDaniels wrote:
I was hoping to run some of my shimano 10 speed race wheels with a 11 speed super record bike so I picked up one of these. But I could not get it to work.

With no spacer the hub contacts the spokes, with the smallest spacer there is not enough hub to fully engage the 11t sprocket.

Maybe it could work with other wheels.


what wheels did you try them with? i have a 10spd Lightweight Gen III. was hoping that i can get something to work for 11spd Shimano set up.

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kode54 wrote:
what wheels did you try them with? i have a 10spd Lightweight Gen III. was hoping that i can get something to work for 11spd Shimano set up.


Per my comments above, if Lightweight also offered a Campy freehub as an option, then the hub should have sufficient space for the Wheels cassette.

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Some hub's Campy option requires different spacers or moving spacers around. I bet that on those the Wheels cassette might not work, unless you do the same spacer mods.


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eric wrote:
Some hub's Campy option requires different spacers or moving spacers around. I bet that on those the Wheels cassette might not work, unless you do the same spacer mods.


Missing the point?

The point is that if there was space for a Campy cassette, then there should be space for what is effectively a conversion cassette that fits Shimano splines.

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