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PostPosted: Sat May 24, 2014 3:47 am 
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PostPosted: Sat May 24, 2014 5:07 am 
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C60 hands down.
Aero frames? Nah..who needs them (coming from a guy who rides a RB1000!) :lol:


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PostPosted: Sun May 25, 2014 7:26 pm 
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C60's are sloping to my eye, but I still want one.


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PostPosted: Sun May 25, 2014 7:30 pm 
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I don't think they've even started production of the traditional C60's yet. This fall.


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PostPosted: Sun May 25, 2014 10:07 pm 
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Have you considered why no one builds traditional frames or use thinner tubes like steel frames in cf?
Why not take advantage of cf and buy a frame that is designed to make the most for the material.
You can get a really light, stiff and not to uncomfortable frame if you accept that new materials works better
with new design.

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PostPosted: Sun May 25, 2014 10:11 pm 
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Please tell us why no one builds traditional frames in carbon fiber? :)


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PostPosted: Sun May 25, 2014 10:20 pm 
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Who does? Yes Colnago does/did for people who don't want to follow the evolution but does the team sponsored ride them no.
And they have stopped to? Anyone else builds race bikes in traditional?

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PostPosted: Sun May 25, 2014 10:29 pm 
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Have not ridden it, but the colnago c60 uses the same geometry as the c59 and is purportedly much stiffer.

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PostPosted: Sun May 25, 2014 10:33 pm 
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2014 Felt AR has a pretty flat top tube.


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I asked "why", not who? I'll help you out. The reason there are few manufacturers making traditional frames in carbon has nothing to do with superior build or materials. It has everything to do with cost of manufacture and the fact that more people can be fit on fewer sizes using sloping frames than traditional frames. Fewer sizes mean fewer costs and fewer frames that dealers need to stock. It's simple economics. And trends. Sloping road frames, starting with Giant's hideous early offerings years ago, have evolved to become the norm. It's now funny that Giant's Propel frame features a horizontal top tube and I think it's one of their best looking bikes. I won't comment on what I think of their brake choice but I like the looks of the frame. So to imply that carbon fiber is best done in a sloping frame is simply wrong. It can be effectively done in a variety of shapes.


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PostPosted: Mon May 26, 2014 2:13 am 
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Cannondale makes straight top tube. So does Parlee. Both look great.


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PostPosted: Mon May 26, 2014 7:36 am 
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All I'm trying to do is stopping Slagter from doing the same mistake I did, choosing a new frame
from a reason that is well not a smart one...

This forum is Weigh Weenies and low weight is king something the Colnago fans seems to totally ignore
trying to push the heaviest frameset on anyone asking for a new frame. Spin doctors?

I think you limit yourself by going traditional and also that you will soon accept and like a frame with a little slope.
After all that is what bikes looks like today.

btw, Supersix is not traditional, great light bike though.

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Picture of Parlee Z2. Not many around on the WWW.

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PostPosted: Mon May 26, 2014 4:27 pm 
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Max Gravity wrote:
All I'm trying to do is stopping Slagter from doing the same mistake I did, choosing a new frame
from a reason that is well not a smart one...

This forum is Weigh Weenies and low weight is king something the Colnago fans seems to totally ignore
trying to push the heaviest frameset on anyone asking for a new frame. Spin doctors?

I think you limit yourself by going traditional and also that you will soon accept and like a frame with a little slope.
After all that is what bikes looks like today.

btw, Supersix is not traditional, great light bike though.


@Slagter doesn't seem to be making any "mistakes". He prefers the aesthetics of a horizontal (or relatively close) top tube. Many people do, still, even though most frames are sloping these days, for reasons I outlined in my previous post above. So I have no idea what "mistake" he would be making from choosing a traditional frame over a sloping one if that's what he prefers.

Even though the forum name is Weight Weenies, it includes a lot of nice bikes, regardless of weight. The name of the forum is irrelevant here. More often than not, light weight does not translate into a better ride.

Just curious, how would one be "limiting" themselves by choosing a traditional frame which fit? I fail to see the reasoning behind that one. I can appreciate sloping frames on most carbon offerings. Especially molded frames. When Trek first started their monocoque frames they still used a horizontal top tube. They looked horrible. They've evolved into quite nice looking frames now, save for that seat post clamp half way between the saddle and the top tube. But I still much prefer the look of a bicycle with a horizontal top tube. That's part of the reason I think most TT bikes look so fast and sexy... they virtually all have a horizontal top tubes.

And finally, Cannondales have a very slight slope, maybe 1 degree or so. Basically still "traditional" in my eyes. As are Felts. And Pinarellos as well, although Pinarello throws a lot of curves in their frames... just cuz. But all still basically "traditional" in design, if we define "traditional" as more a less a front triangle with a relatively horizontal top tube.

Colnagos lugged sloped offerings look quite nice in certain sizes (54s being my favorite aesthetically). However, the 58s looks absolutely horrible to my eye in the lugged frames.

But a lot of it boils down to personal taste. To say the OP is making a mistake because he prefers a traditional style frame is something I can't quite get my head around. If it didn't fit him, that's another story. But that could be said of a sloping frame as well.

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