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PostPosted: Thu Mar 27, 2014 4:40 am 
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addictR1 wrote:
wow... lots to choose from. i heard using latex with CF rims like the farsport may generate too much heat going downhill.. is that about right?

maybe give Michelin airstop a try.. what's the weight on those?



I just weighed some of mine, 95 grams (A1 with 40mm valve stem).

I really like them. Smooth valve stem so it doesn't eat your pump seals and non-removeable valve stem is trouble free for thread on type pump heads.


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The 0.45mm ones like Conti Supersonic are a bit fragile and need care to change without re-puncturing, but good in $/g if that's important to you. However if you want something a bit more robust then Vittoria ultralights are a good compromise between weight, robustness and $. If you buy 10 from Wiggle they're also quite cheap.


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PostPosted: Fri Mar 28, 2014 12:23 am 
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Q Tubes right now. Would like to try Panaracer R'Air one day.

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PostPosted: Fri Mar 28, 2014 1:48 am 
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What about those eclipse foss tubes? I remember them advertising a ridic weight, but everybody speculating it was vaporware


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Mrfish.. Thanks... Haven't bought from wiggle for a while...

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PostPosted: Fri Mar 28, 2014 4:31 am 
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savechief wrote:
Q Tubes right now. Would like to try Panaracer R'Air one day.

The R'Airs are my all time favs and I actually cleaned out the US distributor at one time. They have gone up in price, but I still have a pretty good stock pile. When I run out, I'll probably just use Specs or Miches, unless I can find a reasonable source for the Panaracer R'Airs. Best tubes I've ever ridden.


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rowdysluggins: do you use the panaracers on carbon wheelset? i see it's latex with durability of butyl..


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Two weekends ago I did over 9000 of climbing and about the same descending with my Farsports carbon clinchers with Michelin latex tubes. No issues at all.

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PostPosted: Fri Mar 28, 2014 9:30 am 
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I'm also using the Panaracer R'Airs. They're just butyl tubes; there's no latex in them. They're good tubes, but not worth the premium price.

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PostPosted: Fri Mar 28, 2014 1:53 pm 
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addictR1 wrote:
rowdysluggins: do you use the panaracers on carbon wheelset? i see it's latex with durability of butyl..

I use them with all of my carbon wheels with no problem. I don't know if they are a latex/butyl blend or just butyl, but IMHO they ride better than any other butyl tubes I've used and I won't use latex because of the quick air loss. Also, they may not be worth the full list price, but if you can find them on sale, you should give them a try.


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I use this: Schwalbe Tube SV 20 light


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PostPosted: Fri Mar 28, 2014 2:38 pm 
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i was testing Panaracer R'Airs on one bike...which has held up very well..and may switch over completely. otherwise, i typically use Continental Race tubes.

with the Panaracer R'Airs...all the valves were loose on 4 of them. i thought i had a slow leak...but when pumping them up one day. the valve shot out. i've since tightened the others.

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If you want light and *fast* Vred latex are the only choice.

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PostPosted: Fri Mar 28, 2014 4:47 pm 
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kulivontot wrote:
What about those eclipse foss tubes? I remember them advertising a ridic weight, but everybody speculating it was vaporware


Eclipse and Foss are two different tubes. Foss are far less expensive, but heavier and I've not had good reports on them. Eclipse on the other hand has been quite stellar, I would say it's a clear winner for best tube. 28-30 grams for a road tube and with the puncture resistance as good as a standard weight butyl. The drawback of course is the price and like latex they cannot be used in carbon.

Short answer in my opinion, best tubes in order of preference.

1. Eclipse, 30 grams.
2. Vredestein latex, 48 grams

Best options for carbon rims.
Vredestein butyl lite, 70 grams
Vittoria Ultra 80 grams, or Bontrager XXX 70 grams.

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