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PostPosted: Wed Mar 19, 2014 2:39 am 
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Firstly, the answer to the following is not 'buy a carbon bike'. I want custom geometry because I want a high front end, level top tube and a few tweaks here and there. I prefer metal bikes. Nor is it 'disc brakes are rubbish'. So, with that in mind.....

Steel
I am looking at either an Independent Fabrication Crown Jewel or Seven Axiom Steel with disc brakes.

Titanium
I am looking at a Seven Axiom SL, again with disc brakes.

Because of an existing parts bin, I can go for either of the steel frames with Record EPS, or the titanium frame with Chorus mechanical for roughly the same price (the titanium version would be only slightly more expensive).

The advantage of the steel option is that it will be future proofed. I predict that electronic shifting will become more prevalent, and although I will be running mechanical disc brakes for now I predict that eventually when hydraulics launch they will launch first with electronic shifting because of the space in the lever body. I should add that I don't want to run SRAM, who I know offer (or will again soon!) mechanical shifting with hydraulic brakes.

The advantage of the titanium option is the ride quality, weight and 'bike for life' approach. The disadvantage being the mechanical shifting and braking now vs electronic and the option of hydraulics when they eventually launch.

In terms of ride quality, there isn't much to choose. I will ride the bike in all weathers, so ti has a slight advantage, but well built quality steel treated with framesaver won't be too much of a problem.

I know that the frame, fork and the wheels are the most important part of the bike. Both bikes would use the same wheels and forks (Wound Up disc road). Only the frame would differ, and either choice isn't bad. I run EPS on my other bikes, and whilst it is nice, I also still have mechanical on a couple of bikes as well, and it doesn't feel like old tech.

So, which to choose? Any thoughts much appreciated.


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PostPosted: Wed Mar 19, 2014 2:46 am 
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Interesting question. I would go Ti, but that's as far as I can go with my recommendation.

I have a Seven Axiom SL with a mix of mechanical Super Record, Record and Chorus and absolutely love it. I also just bought a new Mudhoney SL with Athena EPS and disc brakes. It is a magic carpet ride (to steel a phrase) with sublime shifting. Wholeheartedly agree with the no carbon approach as my third Seven (I know, I have too many) is a carbon Diamas SL, and while it is a great bike, it doesn't compare with the ride quality of either of the Ti frames.

Once you go Ti you'll never go back!

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PostPosted: Wed Mar 19, 2014 2:49 am 
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Sola, just realized that you were the original poster. So you know about the benefits of Ti better than anyone. IF makes great frames, but I'm a Seven guy at heart, so I'm a bit biased.

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PostPosted: Wed Mar 19, 2014 2:58 am 
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Thanks. Seven steel is still an option......

Any piccies of the new Mudhoney?


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PostPosted: Wed Mar 19, 2014 3:39 am 
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I vote steel and a happy customer's recommendation to check out English
http://www.englishcycles.com/custombike ... -disc-eps/
http://www.englishcycles.com/news/16-march-2014/

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PostPosted: Wed Mar 19, 2014 5:50 am 
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Ti all the way! With Chorus, SWEET!


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PostPosted: Wed Mar 19, 2014 5:54 am 
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OK, ti if you have the $, fe if you want bang for buck.
I vote steel :beerchug:

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PostPosted: Wed Mar 19, 2014 6:26 am 
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EPS all the way, no finicky shifting. I have had SR and Chorus mechanical, now SR and Athena EPS, no more issues anymore.


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PostPosted: Wed Mar 19, 2014 5:39 pm 
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go with seven ti, with ultegra/dura ace di2 mix and match.


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PostPosted: Thu Mar 20, 2014 11:14 am 
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The choice is steel with electronic Campagnolo or titanium with mechanical Campagnolo.

Veering towards the ride and longevity of titanium.


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PostPosted: Thu Mar 20, 2014 12:53 pm 
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I chose titanium and chorus.

I'm not having a lot of joy with the disc brakes though. There is not enough cable pull on the levers with Campangnolo leading to masses of throw and poor braking performance. If you're used to MTB discs, these are not in the same league.


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PostPosted: Thu Mar 20, 2014 4:20 pm 
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I run Campagnolo with BB7s on 3 bikes. All work brilliantly. I think it is all in the set up and cable outers.


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PostPosted: Thu Mar 20, 2014 5:40 pm 
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I guess I would go with the titanium bike. Just because its lighter and rust proof. And bare titanium looks OK to me. Right paint color is also good. I have all four of the frame materials and notice zero difference when riding. Picking the bikes up after the ride I notice a difference. But when riding, no difference. Also have Di2 and Campagnolo mechanical and Shimano mechanical. Not really any difference there either. All shift well and brake well.


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PostPosted: Thu Mar 20, 2014 6:17 pm 
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Ti...but ask them if they can do dual routing to future proof with an eye to an eventual electronic upgrade.


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PostPosted: Fri Mar 21, 2014 8:42 am 
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No question in my mind- steel and electronic.


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