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GregSherwin
PostPosted: Tue Feb 04, 2014 8:03 pm 
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Hi. What are people's view on which is the better all round wheel?
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Johnny Rad
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Are they in the same price range?

Are we talking new for both?

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PostPosted: Tue Feb 04, 2014 11:08 pm 
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please elaborate,

What kind of terrain are you riding in, what is your weight/ riding style. Right now the question could also be: oranges or apples, which one tastes better?

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Dammit
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A quick search turns up the Reynolds Attack for £933, whereas the cheapest I can find the Zipps is £1,787.

So- the Attacks are half the price, are the Zipps twice the wheel?
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Dammit
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(Interested in this btw as I'm looking at 202 tubular vs 3.4 SES).
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jason9020
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If price is no issue then the firecrests are a no brainer.
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bricky21
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Firecests. If you're going to spend a lot of money than at least buy something that provides some extra performance(however small it might be) than a cheap custom build.

Dammit wrote:
A quick search turns up the Reynolds Attack for £933, whereas the cheapest I can find the Zipps is £1,787.

So- the Attacks are half the price, are the Zipps twice the wheel?


That analogy doesn't really work when talking about top end technologies. You could build a set of wheels with xr3o rims, cx-ray spokes, and cheapo hubs for about $350, and get performance on par with Attacks. I can't think of cheap build that would get you on par with Zipp Firecrests.
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Dammit wrote:
(Interested in this btw as I'm looking at 202 tubular vs 3.4 SES).


The only thing I can say is the FireCrest have a better braking surface and stop as well as an alloy clincher. The SES stop 25% slower in my experience (I own 6.7, 3.4, 404's and 808's).

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As a point of reference; Zipp does not seem to offer a 202 Firecrest Tubular. I wish they did because I want a set.
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Personally I do not see the attraction with tubulars for road in 2014. My ENVE's and Zipp's have a max PSI of 115, the heat issue is no more and I can swap a tube a lot faster then re-gluing but I could understand the need for CX with pinch flats and low tire pressure being the only reason.

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Low weight and way better tires are still great reasons to use with tubulars. Clinchers are for training wheels.
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What's the weight difference when you're comparing:

3 tubes + 2 clinchers vs. 3 tubular?
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oh boy... please don't let this descend into another tubular vs. clincher fight, we just had one of those...

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tinozee wrote:
Low weight and way better tires are still great reasons to use with tubulars. Clinchers are for training wheels.


The difference between Zipp 404 FireCrest CC and Tubular

With Vittoria Corsa VS Open Corsa with Continental Racelight 28 tubes is

75g per wheel.

75 grams per wheel! This does not take into account the weight of the glue which is around 30g per set.

So we're talking 60g per wheel.

Not compelling enough for me but if you like them better, thats all that really matters.

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tinozee
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I hear ya man. Just had to add my little jab. ;P

I do use vittoria open tubs on my clinchers, they are nice and supple but slick in the rain. I can't live without veloflex and FMB tubs on my zipps. The glue removal work also burns 2kg. of fat on average and the glue cleaning melts about 100 grams of brain cells.

I think eventually the ideal will be deep carbon tubeless. I guess Easton makes some already.
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