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PostPosted: Mon Jan 20, 2014 10:21 am 
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Hi all,
just wanted to ask for opinions from those who have ridden the above frames. Unfortunately my 586 cracked in an accident and is not repairable. So on the lookout for a new Look (forgive the pun). I loved the 586 but want to keep my options open a little. All three frames would be new (old stock for 586 and 595)

About me: 70kg / 188cm, climber/rouleur, not super powerful and want something comfortable (I have a cervelo S5 for crit / fast circuit racing) so this will be my nice day / climbing race bike. Build will be mechanical 9000 DA with Rotor 3D P2Max.

Geo will work on all three frames so no issue there.

695: wouldn't want the SR (prob too stiff), don't love the idea of the stem and won't be using the crank, but happy to pay the premium if it's substantially better

595: oldie but a goodie, great looking frame, by all accounts a fantastic ride and pretty light too.

586: tried and tested. like the colour scheme the best!

thanks in advance


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PostPosted: Mon Jan 20, 2014 1:51 pm 
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thencameyou wrote:
Geo will work on all three frames so no issue there.


Off the top of my head, I thought the 595/695 geo was the same, and the 586 different. Or are they all different?

My general point being ... the geometry of one of these models is going to be better suited to you and the type of riding you do than the other.


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PostPosted: Mon Jan 20, 2014 6:38 pm 
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They are close enough that they will all work. Put the geo to one side...


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595 by far

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PostPosted: Mon Jan 20, 2014 10:11 pm 
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thanks CC: can you expand on that?


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PostPosted: Mon Jan 20, 2014 11:11 pm 
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If you can find a 585, consider that. Maybe a 585 Ultra, unless you think it will be too stiff for you, but note that it does not have an ISP. 585 and 585 Ultra are oldies, but goodies.


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I've got a 2010 585 frame in VGC on the way. So, looking forward to building it up.

Were these made in France? Was this the last year of making them there?

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PostPosted: Tue Jan 21, 2014 12:58 am 
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I love my 585 but if I am honest it has been superceded by newer designs - particularly where the front end is concerned. Tapered head tubes with larger bottom bearings out-perform my Look especially on fast descents.


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I heard that the 381 was the last French Look.

Is it fact that tapered heads (with larger bottom bearings) are better? I refuse to believe.

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I've had a 595 ultra for several years. It is fast, climbs like a goat on crack, descends and corners magnificently, and it is stiff as it gets. Only complain I can come up with is that it's pretty uncomfortable after about the 80 mile mark. I have not ridden a 695, but if it was between a NOS 595 and a new 695, I seriously doubt the average mortal will be able to perceive or appreciate the difference. Given the price difference, I would take the 595 and run!!!!


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PostPosted: Tue Jan 21, 2014 6:05 am 
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bikerjulio wrote:
I've got a 2010 585 frame in VGC on the way. So, looking forward to building it up.

Were these made in France? Was this the last year of making them there?
As with the 595, 585's were made in a Look owned and operated factory in Tunisia, with "finishing" in France. I don't know which year Tunisian production started, but no later than 2006 (and I think somewhere in he 2003-2005 time frame.. The 585 was introduced in 2004 (coinciding with opening of the Tunisian factory?). I think 2010 was the last year for 585's. Other than introduction of the Ultra in 2006 and at some point the Optimum and Elle versions, which differed from the 585 Origin only in geometry and paint job, the only other major change I am aware of was the introduction of the Head Fit system in 2009, which changed the stack vs.the previous "conventional" internal headset with (now conventional) ahead stem which was used in 2008 and earlier.

And oh yeah. the 585 and 585 Ultra do NOT have a stupid ISP, even if Look's ISP design is one of the better ones. And, as with the 595, they don't have the really stupid kink in the top tube, which Look employees publicly admitted on another forum is just for marketing, and serves no engineering purpose (other than brand identity).


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Thanks for the info HT.

Yes 2010 was definitely the last year for the 585. I found both the 2010 and 2011 catalogs online and it's not in the 2011.

Agree about the ISP idea. It's a solution in search of a problem. So many disadvantages, not least being that an ISP bike won't fit my travel box.

I guess the tapered fork discussion should have it's own thread. I have a variety of bikes including a Supersix with tapered fork. The idea sounds good in theory for front end stiffness, but I can't say I notice a huge difference in the real world. I'm guessing there's a lot more to the feel of the front end than just that.

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PostPosted: Tue Jan 21, 2014 9:45 am 
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I ve a 585 and a 595 and love both for racing, training and just enjoy riding around.

You are lucky to be able to get a new 595


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Based on my own experience of long rides, I would not buy a 595 for comfort. The ISP would always start to beat me up after 70 or 80 miles (as others have noted). Other than that it's a great bike. If you buy one s/h, look for cracks at the back of the ISP.

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595. The most beautiful Look frame produced and it works really well when I tried an Ultra. Didn't think of comfort as an issue comparing to my then regular Cannondale Caad10. Both with same saddles. The 695 is more like a spaceship with a lot of strange parts while the 595 is just pure class.

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