Rick wrote:But it is actually my personal experience that speedplay users are going to generally be the fastest off the line. Don't believe me...go enter a criterium. Or talk to someone who has.
So you started off with "always" and now use "generally" ? That's a difference. And having raced in criteriums, it doesn't matter who is off the line first, so why bring it up?
Yes....all products break. So what is your issue with speedplay ? My point is that EVERY pedal has a percentage of problems. That doesn't justify your rantings. have YOU actually used speedplay ?
I brought it up in response to your original retort. I have no idea why you brought up product breaking at all, since I never brought it up as a point. But, you did. So I replied. Now you have an issue with my reply?
And yes, I have used Speedplay many, many years ago. And, if you did in fact read anything, I still recommend Speedplay for some people based on their needs. However, as I stated before, there are plenty of options out there and one brand is not the be-all and end-all of pedals - and yes we all have opinions - which goes back to the original point of this thread. Why are pros abandoning speedplays?
"Because they are crap" <--- My opinion
"i'm angry because I love my speedplays!!! and you're wrong!!!" <--- you
"Here is why I believe they are crap" <--- my response
... and the discussion continued since then.
Also, I didn't admit that I HAVE to carry cleat covers. I said I FINALLY got some. For both my speedplays AND MY DURA ACES.
I just can't understand why you have such an issue that yoiu are willing to deliberately twist my words.
It's not a twist of words, Rick. How about this: Why
do you carry cleat covers? Why did you finally
get a pair?
Work on your reading comprehension. I made no "claim" about speedplay stack height. I posted the actual value. It just so happens that it is lower than DA, Look, or Time. You found a lower one. Congratulations.
Again, why? Why did you bring it up? What were you trying to prove? That it was lower?
You brought it up because I brought up the issue of the adapter increasing the stack height of the Speedplay pedal system, which negated its claim of lowest stack height.
So then you retort with a number. So I replied with other examples, which you agreed with, of pedal systems which have lower stack heights without an adapter!
And now you're upset?
Can you work on your comprehension of the discussion?
If it is a "discussion" I will gladly continue to post the facts and my experience with speedplays. If you are going to be calling people "suckers" and challenging us to "bring it on" then you can just stew in your own feces.
Keep trying there, buddy. The 'suckers' term, if you go back and read, is pointing back to marketing and belief in a product. Here, let me reqoute it for you:
"People will buy anything if a pro uses that product while winning. There's a sucker born every minute." It applies to everyone. It applies to the latest Nike shoes worn by basketball players. It applies to football shoes worn by Messi. It applies to your video of Jens Voigt, a sponsored rider who uses product-repping as part of his income to support his family (it's a job, just like any other) making a statement about a product. It applies to a sport drink being poured on top of the winning coach at the championship game. It applies to all forms of sports entertainment and product marketing. It applies to a drivetrain brand claiming podium victories. It applies to shoes, wheels, frames... everything and anything that wants you as a consumer to associate their product with the winning results of an athlete. This isn't to say that the product did or did not help the athlete achieve victory, but it is to say that the intention of the brand is for you, as a consumer to solely associate their achievement with the claimed qualities of said product. People who believe that association - which there are obviously plenty of - are suckers.
Seriously man, get a sense of perspective on how the business & entertainment world works and your role, as a consumer, in the game.
Some may consider your posts crap......just sayin'.
Kettle black, Rick.
So, basically....they are like every other sports product and you have no real knowledge about them at all.
I can safely say that I know a fair bit more than you.