AX Lightness Vial EVO

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AXAxel
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by AXAxel

That indeed is a very unpleasant flaw in our system.. Thanks for locating it HammerTime! Sadly and in contrast to our website the webshop backend is not administered by ourselves, only the content is. We will have a new, revamped and merged website up in summer, but the 'glitch' will still for sure have to be corrected beforehands as this indeed is an unacceptable but even more so unexplainable flaw ( :?: :!: :?: ): The United States of course absolutely have to be an option and I can only ask everyone to simply be mailing us in the meantime in order for us to sort you out directly.


The fork I think is meant to sort of replicate the looks of the 3T Rigida Stealth that the Vial EVO comes with by default. Alternatively there as well would be the "D" version with a THM Scapula CT fork as mentioned above/before.
The latter might actually still get a small additional detail into the design in order to differentiate the two versions.
~Nils

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by HammerTime2

Yes, the Unites States is a big market for high end road cycling equipment.

Outside of Junior, and a few other elites, I doubt many people in the DPRK could even afford an AX Vial EVO Heck, probably not many North Koreans could even afford a Nasdorowje bottle cage. According to my man Dennis Rodman, basketball is more Junior's cup of tea than cycling, anyhow.

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AXAxel, I´m curious how you can sell this frame with a such low price tag and outstanding weight and stiffness numbers, handmade in germany.
I thought it was not possible nowadays.

/Mattias.
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Mattias Hellöre wrote:AXAxel, I´m curious how you can sell this frame with a such low price tag and outstanding weight and stiffness numbers, handmade in germany.
I thought it was not possible nowadays.

/Mattias.


I am not AXAxel, but according to the AX lightness website the reasons are these:

How do we achieve competitive pricing nonetheless?
As we produce and manufacture the frame completely by ourselves in our factory in Creußen, we are able to bypass additional margins and profits external manufacturers such as from contract manufacturing in Asia. In addition transport distances and costs as well as occurring custom duties are omitted.
Our distribution channel: We supply retailing in a direct way. That way additional margins for distributions, distributors or exclusive importers are omitted. This leads to lower prices and a comparable price level all over the world.
We do not run expensive racing sponsorships. Through this we annually save high million euro sums in comparison to the big players, that you would be refinancing with your purchase of the corresponding products.
Which is not to say we would not care about racing at all as besides partial sponsorships we as well offer a racer support for race license holders discounting our products by 10 %. There is no separate sponsorship budget with us though.
Thanks to our high in-house production depth, that ranges from the in-house development over the actual production to the final finish of the products, we achieve short routes and a high efficiency and do not have to co-finance erreichen wir kurze Wege als auch eine hohe Effizienz und müssen keine intermediary bodies.
Our highly technological and strictly controlled production yields a minuscule scrap rate. In addition we can react in-time on possible changes of constructional elements.

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Stegger: thanks a lot, it does makes sense, I as manufacturer hade a hard time to see a reasonable profit margin though. Development cost money, testing does cost too.
Anyway, thanks!
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by tharmor

I want this bicycle frame. Well done!

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by Illuminate

I'd like to echo everyone else's sentiment by passing on a big well done! It looks superb. :D

Well done for keeping production domestic btw - this is one of the points that set it aside from the competition. :thumbup:

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Mattias Hellöre wrote:AXAxel, I´m curious how you can sell this frame with a such low price tag and outstanding weight and stiffness numbers, handmade in germany.
I thought it was not possible nowadays.

/Mattias.

The frame is indeed very aggressively priced as this also has been one of the ambitious aims: To have a model built in-house with the latest technology at the same price as the bigger brand's Asian models (there is a table up on our website comparing the MSRPs to other popular top models). Reasons how to achieve the price as quoted by Stegger. :thumbup:

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by kode54

so AXAxel, is the final paint and design in this thread...a more minimal look versus what is pictured on your website?
- AX Lightness Vial EVO D + DA9150 + Enve SES 3.4 carbon hubs
- Parlee Altum + DA9150 + Enve SES 4.5 carbon hubs
- Parlee ESX + DA9150 + THM SRM PM + Enve SES 6.7 CK hubs
- Independent Fabrication Ti FLW + DA9100 + Enve 3.4 CK hubs

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Hi kode, the website has already been updated accordingly as well, so the version on there is identical to what has been presented towards the bottom of the last side.
Higher quality pics by the way to be found on Flickr: http://www.flickr.com/photos/ax-lightne ... 642523513/

We are currently painting the first frames in that paint scheme so should have something to show very shortly as well.
~Nils

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So the size L frame and fork will end up weighing just over 1kg?

Pretty impressed by that achievement.

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AXAxel wrote:Hi kode, the website has already been updated accordingly as well, so the version on there is identical to what has been presented towards the bottom of the last side.
Higher quality pics by the way to be found on Flickr: http://www.flickr.com/photos/ax-lightne ... 642523513/

We are currently painting the first frames in that paint scheme so should have something to show very shortly as well.
~Nils


nice. thx nils
- AX Lightness Vial EVO D + DA9150 + Enve SES 3.4 carbon hubs
- Parlee Altum + DA9150 + Enve SES 4.5 carbon hubs
- Parlee ESX + DA9150 + THM SRM PM + Enve SES 6.7 CK hubs
- Independent Fabrication Ti FLW + DA9100 + Enve 3.4 CK hubs

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by LiKuid

Wow! I did not know about AX making their own frame. That seems like a top quality piece of kit with a Chinese price tag. Kudos for both!
I was thinking of going with a BMC SLR01 as my next bike in 2014, but now i am in doubts.

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by AXAxel

tharmor wrote:So the size L frame and fork will end up weighing just over 1kg?

Pretty impressed by that achievement.

For the D version, i.e. with the THM fork, size L should still be just unter 1kg for frame + fork. :thumbup:
We have been doing a minor optimisation with the cuts in the meantime and the last frame came out at 650-655 gms - also still without paint or FD clamp. We are now as said painting a couple of frames to have the final design available in flesh as well as to know the exact weight of the paint.
~Nils

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So in fact a frame incl derailleur hanger and seatpost clamp will weigh 702 grams, down to 675-680 grams for size M (56) with same test results as published on Tour Magazin 04/2013?
I´ve added 25 grams for FD clamp and paint as written in earlier posts.

http://www.tour-magazin.de/technik/test ... 26921.html

Here does the Vial weigh 779 grams. so you have tuned of almost 100 grams from the frame weight, and still have the test values remain intact?.
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