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PostPosted: Sat Aug 05, 2017 5:50 pm 
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maquisard wrote:
KMC (allegedly) do OEM chain manufacture for Shimano.

Never had an issue with a Shimano chain.

KMC doesn't have factories in Japan.


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PostPosted: Sat Aug 05, 2017 10:35 pm 
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Quality rant indeed but a bit tough to follow.

SO, do I understand correctly that the best setup was a Campy chain on a Sram 1190 cassette with a Dura Ace derailleur with the jockey wheels shaved to be thin enough to accept the Campy chain? Do I have this right?

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PostPosted: Sat Aug 05, 2017 10:53 pm 
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what about campy 11s chain may need expensive tool to work with pin ?
http://cozybeehive.blogspot.ru/2009/06/ ... ilure.html

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PostPosted: Sun Aug 06, 2017 2:01 am 
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TurboKoo wrote:
maquisard wrote:
KMC (allegedly) do OEM chain manufacture for Shimano.

Never had an issue with a Shimano chain.

KMC doesn't have factories in Japan.


I didn't say that, did I?


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PostPosted: Sun Aug 06, 2017 3:55 am 
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what about campy 11s chain may need expensive tool to work with pin ?
http://cozybeehive.blogspot.ru/2009/06/ ... ilure.html


Just use the Campy chain with any 11spd quicklink (SRAM, Wippermann, Shimano, KMC, etc.) and you won't need a specific pin + peening chain-tool.

As for the rant...Just lol. Anecdotally I'll say that my KMC X11SL worked best with my Ritchey Swiss Cross Disc and eTap. So 135mm rear and around 433mm long chainstays. My SRAM Red 22 chain worked mostly fine as well, while Shimano's XTR chain and a Wippermann had minor issues backpedaling in the smaller cogs. Could it be the 5.5mm vs 5.62mm inner width made that much a of a difference? I doubt it. Any chainline/rub issues are probably due to my derailleur hanger being very slightly off.

I will agree on one point. The SRAM XG-1190 cassette is worth it. You avoid the creaking, breaking carriers on DA and Ultegra cassettes. You get a lightweight cassette with a freehub interface that won't cause gouging. It's louder because of its shape and mass, but whatever.


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PostPosted: Sun Aug 06, 2017 5:11 pm 
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Yup. Its crap. After trying 4 different DA 9000 cassettes last year, all with same issue, I gave up.
Ultegra is problem free. Easy choice.


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PostPosted: Sun Aug 06, 2017 5:42 pm 
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ooo wrote:
what about campy 11s chain may need expensive tool to work with pin ?
http://cozybeehive.blogspot.ru/2009/06/ ... ilure.html


Whataboutery, lol.

That blog is a load of nonsense. The Campag chain tool is painfully expensive, true, but it's not the only way. I install Campag chains in with a normal chain tool and do the peening with a cheap centrepunch, works fine, and there's any number of aftermarket quicklinks.

We digress. Back to rubish product design.


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PostPosted: Mon Aug 07, 2017 7:15 am 
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maquisard wrote:
I didn't say that, did I?
Well you did, because Dura-ace chains are made in Japan.


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PostPosted: Mon Aug 07, 2017 9:47 am 
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I didn't say Dura Ace chains were made by KMC.


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PostPosted: Mon Aug 07, 2017 8:24 pm 
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Belisarius wrote:
But it is unmatched exceptional with the XG 1190 SRAM and Campy chain set up.


Why not a campy cassette? Or do you think that would've worked as well?


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PostPosted: Tue Aug 08, 2017 3:03 am 
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Mr.Gib wrote:
Quality rant indeed but a bit tough to follow.

SO, do I understand correctly that the best setup was a Campy chain on a Sram 1190 cassette with a Dura Ace derailleur with the jockey wheels shaved to be thin enough to accept the Campy chain? Do I have this right?

I understood the same, but sounds like quite a nonsense (I have no problem to be wrong... But that's a tough one to believe). That's the first time since 9s times I read that mixing 3 brands, 2 stds, plus a manual grinding improves things...
Note: that doesn't remove the problems DA cassettes have...


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