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 Post subject: Re: Felt 2014 AR1
PostPosted: Thu Aug 21, 2014 7:43 pm 
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weightLight wrote:
Haha, you ask that in the AR forum? like really? Hey the propel is a nice bike but I bought an ar frd, purely because it looks better to my eye.

I am no world beater, seriously doubt you are too, both bikes are awesome, both would have positives over the other and negatives.


A thread about AR1 seems like a reasonable place to ask the question "how is it better than main competitors". Besides, I see a 70-page thread about AR, but no 70-page thread about Propel, so I must be missing something.


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 Post subject: Re: Felt 2014 AR1
PostPosted: Thu Aug 21, 2014 7:54 pm 
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nameless wrote:
A thread about AR1 seems like a reasonable place to ask the question "how is it better than main competitors". Besides, I see a 70-page thread about AR, but no 70-page thread about Propel, so I must be missing something.


I'm sure many of use looked at the Propel line. In the end it comes down to fit and personal preferences. The Giant is significantly different in Geometry. It's much more stretched out (2.5 cm longer TT) and taller (3 cm taller HT) while being less steep (1 degree less seat tube angle). If that fits you better than the Felt then it should be the better choice. If the Felt fits better...


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 Post subject: Re: Felt 2014 AR1
PostPosted: Thu Aug 21, 2014 8:19 pm 
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I rode the AR1 in a TT this Spring. I had both cage, bottle in the back...probably why I only got 4th. That and the fact that TT bikes were allowed and I didn't even have aero bars. ;)
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 Post subject: Re: Felt 2014 AR1
PostPosted: Thu Aug 21, 2014 9:48 pm 
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Just wanted to add a few pictures. This was, believe, the last AR FRD frame in 54cm in the U.S. I had paid for an AR1 54 and thought it was available. My awesome LBS made a deal I couldn't refuse on an AR FRD. Catch was that I would have to go DI2. I had a sram red 10 speed group ready to go, but was able to sell it, and get Ultegra 6870 group. It came together really nice.

Parts list
Sram BB30 Exogram cranks with 53/39 Rotor QRings.
2014 Zipp 404, Continental GP4000s 23/25mm. Nashbar lightweight 80mm tubes.
Dura Ace 9000 11-28
Ultegra 6870 Di2 shifters, derailleurs, chain and rear direct mount brakes.
Shimano in line brake quick release
Tririg Omega
Bontrager Paradigm XXX 148mm
Easton EC90SLX 42mm bar
Lizard skins 3.2mm bar tape.
3T Pro stem with ti bolts
Look Keo Carbon pedals
Chinese carbon cages.
Bike weight 6980 grams

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 Post subject: Re: Felt 2014 AR1
PostPosted: Fri Aug 22, 2014 12:59 am 
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why does the bartape seem to be really thick where the drops are

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 Post subject: Re: Felt 2014 AR1
PostPosted: Fri Aug 22, 2014 2:10 am 
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I am strongly considering getting an AR. I was thinking about the AR1 frame set as I plan to move my group set and everything over to it. Would you guys recommend getting the '15 AR5 and selling off the 105 and other parts? Or should I just go with the AR1? I like the idea of the TeXtreme 100 layup on the frame along with AR FRD fork coming with the AR1. Real nice upgrades.

Looking at pricing for the Shimano 5800, I probably would only be able to recoup $350-400 for the group set based on what new group sets are selling for, then maybe $80-100 for the stem, handlebar and saddle and what another $100-150 for the wheels. So say around $500 back if I part with everything but the frame set. Not sure that is worth it to save a little but end up with a lower end frame?


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 Post subject: Re: Felt 2014 AR1
PostPosted: Fri Aug 22, 2014 2:15 am 
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One of the reasons I like Felt, over, say, Cervelo, is that their frameset prices are fair (and you can usually negotiate a better price than MSRP with a shop if you're spending a bundle there over many years ;) ). I gave real thought to a Cervelo where I would sell the wheels/groupset, etc. but, in the end, the cost in terms of my time and the hassle, just wasn't worth it. At that point the stupid crazy Cervelo pricing ($7k for a bike with Di2, 6.99k for just the framset, yes I exaggerate) for framesets put them out of contention.

Nice bike chazmtb!


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 Post subject: Re: Felt 2014 AR1
PostPosted: Fri Aug 22, 2014 10:08 am 
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BeeSeeBee- the discussion was in regards to a prologue I'm running on Saturday.

I'm inclined to keep on small bottle on the rear. Effort will be around 12 min and a mouth watering and spit is pretty helpful for me to get rid of phlegm build up.


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PostPosted: Fri Aug 22, 2014 4:53 pm 
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I was speaking more in general. Is the TT under UCI regulations? If not, you might try getting one of those gel flasks and putting it behind your steerer, shielded from the wind.


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 Post subject: Felt 2014 AR1
PostPosted: Fri Aug 22, 2014 7:57 pm 
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There's a control technique but I reckon with all the tourist bikes that will have those things, I could get away with it...I'm sure someone will be selling them at the village depart, but they might be vented :-D

I put on some Oval gel pads on the tips that have great friction and padding, will let me stay lower longer. Big crosswind today.


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 Post subject: Re: Felt 2014 AR1
PostPosted: Sat Aug 23, 2014 4:09 am 
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Can someone tell me what degree is the stem being used here?

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I'm currently running a 6 deg and I'm still flexible enough to go lower (but nothing too extreme). My current setup only has a 5mm spacer and the little cone spacer. Would a 10deg stem "level" the stem with my saddle?

Me thinks a 17deg is too much. I'd probably put the spacer and it won't make any sense.


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 Post subject: Re: Felt 2014 AR1
PostPosted: Sat Aug 23, 2014 6:13 am 
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BeeSeeBee wrote:
This is what I think is ridiculous, run without bottles, or an aero bottle? This is a road bike, it's role is that of a of a pretty versatile all-around bike (at least dramatically more so than a TT/Tri bike). I think it should be expected that these aero road frames should be tested with two standard bottles (because that's what 99.9% of people are going to use on the bike), otherwise it seems like a pretty flawed test and I'd be very suspect of any company using such selective testing procedures while also attempting to portray their data as applicable to the real world.

So how does the AR, without any bottle shielding features stack up to frames with bottles accounted for in their design when bottles are added, and why was the test not conducted this way?



Will have to wait to see if Dave chimes in on this. However I did come across this statement on an article about the '15 AR FRD.

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Felt also accounts for things like how the air flows around the bike with and without a water bottle in place on the down tube as the air is reattached behind the bottle. Every shape of the entire bike is taken into account.
http://www.roadbikereview.com/reviews/felt-2015-preview-ar-frd-di2-f3-and-ia2-aero-race-tt

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 Post subject: Re: Felt 2014 AR1
PostPosted: Sat Aug 23, 2014 8:24 am 
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The stem on that FRD looks like the Zipp Sl145 which is -12 degrees. Could you not try removing the 5mm spacer before trying a different stem?

This page might come in handy when considering a new stem.
http://yojimg.net/bike/web_tools/stem.php


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 Post subject: Re: Felt 2014 AR1
PostPosted: Sat Aug 23, 2014 10:47 am 
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g32ecs wrote:
Can someone tell me what degree is the stem being used here?


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 Post subject: Re: Felt 2014 AR1
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Took delivery of my (58) AR3 yesterday. It's pretty damn nice. Weighs about 8.5kg with pedals & cages on it

Here's a link to an imgur album of it since I can't work out how to resize embedded images: http://imgur.com/a/rq3WG


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