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 Post subject: Re: ROLO sneak peek
PostPosted: Sat Aug 17, 2013 11:04 am 
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995 grams frame and fork for a 2014 Addict?.
Let us see what the real weight will be at size 54-56.

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PostPosted: Sat Aug 17, 2013 12:37 pm 
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Good luck with this one a! It looks and sounds pretty damn awesome!


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Jeez fellas, why is everyone being rude to our industry friend. He just wanted to give us a peek at some pretty darn cool tech and y'all are taking a piss on it. I for one think that custom layup is a pretty cool idea, and if you get guidance from professionals during the process then that may just be worth the $$$$$. We have another thread going on about the next frame tech which is a pretty popular thread with people posting about the death of carbon tech, but we have proof right here that fresh, new ideas are out there. If you would rather not pay the premium then by all means don't, but don't come on Andy's thread and be a dick for the sake of being a dick.

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 Post subject: Re: ROLO sneak peek
PostPosted: Sat Aug 17, 2013 2:04 pm 
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That was very well said btompkins. Everyone's talking about the latest tech and where it's going. Here's a company showing us where it's going. Custom carbon isn't like custom steel or aluminum where you pick the tubes out of an assortment to your liking and have them welded. Custom carbon is just that. Custom. No pre-drawn tubes here, 100% skilled labor. And since these skilled people need to eat and have shelter, it's going to cost the consumer more money. This type of frame certainly isn't my cup of tea. But I can still appreciate what these guys are doing. Good job guys!


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PostPosted: Sat Aug 17, 2013 2:49 pm 
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btompkins0112 wrote:
Jeez fellas, why is everyone being rude to our industry friend. He just wanted to give us a peek at some pretty darn cool tech and y'all are taking a piss on it. I for one think that custom layup is a pretty cool idea, and if you get guidance from professionals during the process then that may just be worth the $$$$$. We have another thread going on about the next frame tech which is a pretty popular thread with people posting about the death of carbon tech, but we have proof right here that fresh, new ideas are out there. If you would rather not pay the premium then by all means don't, but don't come on Andy's thread and be a dick for the sake of being a dick.


This ^ is 100% correct, the man came out to show this forum what they have been working on, which is really impressive, best in the industry for what i can see and some people are upset because they would not be able to be apart of it. This is a nitch market that he is going after and this is the top of the top. They are going after the RCA customers and for what i can see this with the options available is a better deal. gram/$ overall than the RCA and that is what they are going for. Aj thanks for sharing, and i would love to learn more about it when the info comes available please. thanks


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I also think that custom layup is a good idea. I'm tall but light. Frames in my size are made for riders who weigh 20-40 lbs more than I do.


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+1, If I was french I would like to have a Time frame, all made in France just like they want it. Now I can have a frame from my country a little better.

Can't afford a Rolo and doesn't think it is the coolest frame on the market but if it could be better for me than the others it would be an investment. Love the project and it's fun with forummembers pushing boundries. Take a look a Berk and his projects for example. Great place to pushing the industry instead of just be satisfied with what's on the market. :)

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Andy, just curious if you have an estimate on how many man hours go into each frame, from beginning to end? Just curiosity on my part.

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It takes us roughly 7-10 hours of hand work to do the lay-up of all the parts, and about 3-5 hours to bond the frame together, not including the engineering time, carbon cutting and curing. The drop outs are particularly time consuming when viewed in relation to their size.
That's if you go with one of the 3 standard lay-ups for a given size. If you want a custom lay-up with cerain characteristics we use another couple of hours on the computer.
( We have honed the code and looped our computer models with real life bikes a over a few years so we have a 3% discrepancy between weight & stiffness in specific areas.)
The painting process is similar to most other bikes except we don't use any fillers of course!

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andy2 wrote:
That's if you go with one of the 3 standard lay-ups for a given size.


I'd like to hear more about that. Is the difference stiffness, ride, weight, all of the above?


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Quick question, how do you test for strength and impact resistance for custom layups?


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eric: All of the above. Will be explained in further detail on our home page.
justk: We have modeled very accurate load cases. Our engineers are very well versed in this area through fatigue and crash tests in the hyper car field.

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eric wrote:
andy2 wrote:
That's if you go with one of the 3 standard lay-ups for a given size.


I'd like to hear more about that. Is the difference stiffness, ride, weight, all of the above?


Found some more info on that on the website.

Edit: What andy said :)


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 Post subject: Re: ROLO sneak peek
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This sounds like a great continuation of "custom". Much some like pro teams/riders have custom layups on their frames, consumers who can spare the cash also have access to this now.

Can't wait to see it all at eurobike.


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 Post subject: Re: ROLO sneak peek
PostPosted: Tue Aug 20, 2013 10:13 am 
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russianbear wrote:
This sounds like a great continuation of "custom". Much some like pro teams/riders have custom layups on their frames, consumers who can spare the cash also have access to this now.


Sounds to me like a great way to design-a-disaster, allowing too much customer input...

btw i like Andy's openness about the project, and hope it succeeds :beerchug:

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