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PostPosted: Mon Mar 24, 2014 4:22 pm 
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Sounds like they live in an alternate reality when the USSR still was a cohesive entity and when cell phones were the size of bricks ??!


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PostPosted: Mon Mar 24, 2014 7:51 pm 
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catbill wrote:
A few buddies of mine who are total steel freaks love steel and stainless so much that they wouldn't even admit carbon actually exist. They believe carbon comes from burnt left over rotten food and are really nothing more than ashes clued together with poison chemical. They think carbon is evil and carbon dust is the black version of cocaine. Highly priced! :shock: :unbelievable: :roll: :twisted: :?



Tell your buddies that if it wasn't for carbon, they'd be riding around on iron frames ;)


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PostPosted: Tue Mar 25, 2014 12:40 am 
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maxxevv wrote:
Its not lighter as a material, but the strength of the metal allows the use of thinner tube gauges, hence lighters tubes, resulting in a lighter frame for comparable tube diameters and lengths used in a frame.

In the Columbus range Spirit tubing is thinner than XCr, so it is lighter.


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PostPosted: Tue Mar 25, 2014 9:55 pm 
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There was a big splash for MS2 tubing from KVA a couple of years back promising to be both light and strong but I've
not seen much about it since then. Anyone know anything about it?

Here's an Alchemy frame built with it up to 14.1lbs. Not bad.

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PostPosted: Wed Mar 26, 2014 2:27 pm 
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Spirit tubing is for TIG. Not sure if XCr is meant for Lugs or TIG. Weight savings mainly come from wall thickness for a given tensile strength and the use of TIG instead of lugs but only the more recent developed tubing are cater for fully TIG.

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PostPosted: Wed Mar 26, 2014 2:52 pm 
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LionelB wrote:
maxxevv wrote:
Its not lighter as a material, but the strength of the metal allows the use of thinner tube gauges, hence lighters tubes, resulting in a lighter frame for comparable tube diameters and lengths used in a frame.

In the Columbus range Spirit tubing is thinner than XCr, so it is lighter.


Yes, but that's only within the Columbus range of tubings.


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PostPosted: Wed Mar 26, 2014 3:36 pm 
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just been thinking about my 953 frame....

there's a shim(metal) in the seatube (oversize 953) to bring it down to 27.2
it's a big shim that won't budge - i asked the frame builder if it'll come out - he hasn't directly replied to that question!
Looking on ceeway website it looks as though this shim is around 100g..
factor in paint - 100g ish?
the fact that its a 57c-c seat tube frame with a 16 head tube and 55 top tube also helps the weight
so completely bare of anything it's probably nearer 1600g or so... maybe!


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PostPosted: Wed Mar 26, 2014 3:42 pm 
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catbill wrote:
Spirit tubing is for TIG. Not sure if XCr is meant for Lugs or TIG. Weight savings mainly come from wall thickness for a given tensile strength and the use of TIG instead of lugs but only the more recent developed tubing are cater for fully TIG.

There is Spirit and Spirit for lugs
There is XCr and XCr for lugs


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PostPosted: Wed Mar 26, 2014 3:44 pm 
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maxxevv wrote:
Yes, but that's only within the Columbus range of tubings.

I am much more familiar with columbus than I am with reynolds but I was replying to your point that stainless can be made thinner, it's not the case with columbus as their thinner steel is not stainless.


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PostPosted: Thu Mar 27, 2014 8:11 pm 
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I have to admit that I miss the feel of a good steel frame. I had several Waterford frames many years ago..they were very nice. I think I'll seek out a nice steel bike for my next ride. I've always wanted a Serotta painted in the 7-eleven colors.


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PostPosted: Thu Apr 17, 2014 6:38 pm 
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thinking to build up a ride for wifey.. but she won't be riding it too much and doesn't want those OEM carbon frame in case if she falls and crack it. so looking for a lightweight alloy frame.

any suggestions for a 50cm version?

TIA


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PostPosted: Thu Apr 17, 2014 6:57 pm 
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Depends on what you think is light...

If you want typical carbon light (1000 grams or less), you're not gaining a whole lot it durability. I've crashed light alloy and bent and damaged it...

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PostPosted: Thu Apr 17, 2014 7:01 pm 
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Giant, Specialized and Cannondale all do relatively light alloy frames check out their websites. In saying that I've seen cheaper carbon frames from shops that are most lighter as well.


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PostPosted: Thu Apr 17, 2014 7:10 pm 
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Thanks Charles and Irish. I wanted to get her a carbon, but unless if I can find one new from a good brand under her budget of $800.. otherwise it's alloy for her.

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PostPosted: Thu Apr 17, 2014 7:19 pm 
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My old 58cm CAAD8 is 1265g, which I consider pretty light for alu.
My 'old' 56cm Carbon Soloist is only 90g lighter (1175g)!


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