Foil Team with DA 9000 or Venge with Red

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brycerider
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by brycerider

Currently looking to add another road bike to the stable alongside my sworks tarmac sl3 which I updated to new Sram red last year.

I can get a Foil with DA9000 for about $400 less than a Sworks Venge with new Red (but no wheels). I don't think the Foil wheel offering, some Syncros oem job would be too exciting.

Given the geometry and drivetrain is the same as the sl3 I'm leaning toward a Venge. But the foil is a bargain.

Thoughts? It would be used for flat, fast stuff and the Sl3 would be the hills bike.

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by thisisatest

Buy both, put the 9000 on the Venge and the Red on the Foil, sell the Foil.

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by silvercivic27

I'd go foil.

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by shoopdawoop

They are similarly pedigreed and priced so, whichever one feels better when you ride it.

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by brycerider

silvercivic27 wrote:I'd go foil.

Why, may I ask?

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by silvercivic27

I have an Addict with DA and I love it. I wouldn't change anything about it. If it were actually aero though, that would be great. The foil fits that bill exactly. I also personally don't like the way SRAM shifts, or the double tap levers. I'm sure the venge is a great frame. Although my Addict isn't necessarily comfortable or aero, it's great in just about every other way. I have zero regrets buying it.

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by davidalone

I'd go foil because DA9000 is so awesome, and old sram red is going to be incompatible with all the new 11 speed stuff thats going o come out soon, so yo'll e facing a pretty big value hit there.

frame wise I don't think theres much difference. the foil is pretty much our team bike, ( although I dont ride one) , and I think both are very nice frames, the venge ( unless you go with a Mclaren) screams ' LOOK AT MEE!' while the foil ( esp the black ones are much more understated and aggressive 'let the legs do the talking'. so is personal preference I guess.

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by dvincere

The Foil is easily a better frame than the Venge. DA9000 is the best mechanical groupset out there. This isn't even a choice. It's like choosing between filet mignon and chuck roast.

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I think I will have to have a ride of them. I like riding SRAM Red and tend to think the hassle of one bike with 10spd and the other with 11spd will becoming annoying. Particularly as I have a set of Enve 45s that I would like to be able to swap between bikes. Also toying with the S5 VWD if I can get the price down a bit.


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by MrHeng

Go with foil man!

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by NealH

DA 9000 gives a big advantage to whatever its on.

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by Zigmeister

If you want an Earth shattering stiff ride that is absolutely brutal, get the Foil.

The only thing I've found to help is run my 303 FC tubies and a set of carbon bars to take the nasty sting out of the ride. You will feel every bump with that bike for sure.

Definitely test ride both if you can.

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by pawnii

If you race Crits get the Foil. It's as stiff and sharp as an axe...and nothing shifts as well as a DA crankset.
In fact it's so stiff I've been trying to soften the ride by using a 25mm rear tyre and adding 10mm of fat to my ass.

Any other kind of riding i'd look into a Venge because a Foil is as stiff and sharp as an axe.
i do miss how quick you can shift the Red's RD i have to admit.
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by brycerider

Everywhere I read that the Foil is stiff as all get out. But does this mean its any better at power transfer or merely uncomfortable?

I'm a bit meh about DA9000 to be honest mostly because have 10 and 11 speed drivetrains to deal with would be annoying.


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by climberevan

pawnii wrote:If you race Crits get the Foil. It's as stiff and sharp as an axe...and nothing shifts as well as a DA crankset.
In fact it's so stiff I've been trying to soften the ride by using a 25mm rear tyre and adding 10mm of fat to my ass.

Any other kind of riding i'd look into a Venge because a Foil is as stiff and sharp as an axe.
i do miss how quick you can shift the Red's RD i have to admit.


I'm not sure how the front shifting matters in a crit...I've never done one where the small ring was even relevant...

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