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PostPosted: Sun May 17, 2015 10:05 pm 
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want to buy a new truing stand, has anyone proven the p & k lie.
Any other recommendations?

worth buying the special 250 version

http://www.pklie.de/index_eng.html
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PostPosted: Sun May 17, 2015 10:33 pm 
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way overpriced tool with less usability than "simple" Parktool. IMO not worth to pay 4 times more for ZERO advantages. PLUS some € for adapters for TA… Joke or hidden advert (spam) ?

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PostPosted: Mon May 18, 2015 8:43 am 
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now I have a parktool, and want something better.
need recommendations..
dt swiss?
centrimaster?

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PostPosted: Mon May 18, 2015 9:30 am 
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The Park Tool stand is great.

Spend time improving yourself.


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PostPosted: Mon May 18, 2015 10:52 am 
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yes the parcktool is good...
but now I have one!
now I want the best

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PostPosted: Mon May 18, 2015 11:25 am 
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If you want the best you should look into this stand. It's what I would get if I were shopping.

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http://bicyclemanufacturing.co.uk/?page_id=103

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PostPosted: Mon May 18, 2015 11:30 am 
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thanks ergott
I will investigate

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PostPosted: Mon May 18, 2015 1:20 pm 
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someone has experience with centrimaster or p&k Lie?

http://www.centrimaster.de/en/shop/truingstand.html

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PostPosted: Mon May 18, 2015 3:45 pm 
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What impresses me most about the DuoBlock and it's little brother is the stiffness of the arms and solid engineering that went into it. Mark is an engineer with a long list of experience in both automotive and cycling worlds. The other stands look flimsy in comparison.

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PostPosted: Mon May 18, 2015 10:40 pm 
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These things are analogous to a high end timepiece, they are to be appreciated for their workmanship.

You don't need a stand like this to build wheels accurately. I would argue that this stand will not yield a better built wheel than a $100 stand at the hands of the same wheel builder.

If you want to buy one to possess it and have a nicely over engineered and built tool then that is fine but you will not get a better performing wheel. You might get the wheel trued/round in less time but not not likely realize any performance gain over any other suitable truing stand. If you build wheels often and cycle time would improve your ability to make money then it would possibly make sense to buy one.

I am a Mechanical Engineer and make my living designing things that include aircraft components and fixtures used to build/assemble them. That allows me to appreciate what goes into these high end stands. They obviously have some thought behind them and use materials and construction that are not suited to mass production of the stand.

I use a stand that I built myself from baltic birch plywood and aluminum that is width adjustable (not self centering) and with dial gauges I can get a wheel as accurate in both the radial and lateral directions as can be had by a human turning the nipples and reading the gauge. I probably spent 20 hours modeling and fabricating it and did use CNC equipment to fabricate components but it does not work any better than a Park stand.


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PostPosted: Tue May 19, 2015 2:48 am 
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True words! But mikes duo block stand is dam nice. If you want to improve your wheel building get a really good tension meter. It's prolly the most important tool you can own for wheelbuilding.
I personally use the wheelfanyatic digital one.

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PostPosted: Tue May 19, 2015 3:17 am 
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+1 on the wheelfanatyc tensiometer

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PostPosted: Tue May 19, 2015 6:32 am 
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my intention is not to get better wheels, the wheels will be equally good with my tool parcktool.
I use the DT Swiss tensiometer.
now build a perfect wheel I need 35-40 min.

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PostPosted: Tue May 19, 2015 12:24 pm 
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I don't know the OP or his work. Just to clarify for others, using a DT Swiss tensiometer and quoting how fast you take to build a wheel have nothing to do with the equation. I agree with Cleaner in that the tools don't make the product, the builder does. That said I value the stiffness of a stand as I'm working on a wheel.

I takes me over an hour to build a wheel. Greasing every nipple and thread, straightening spoke line, bedding spokes into hub, and stress relieving a wheel should not be rushed.

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PostPosted: Tue May 19, 2015 1:09 pm 
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If all spent on a wheel is 35 to minutes particularly for a rear it could be a rubbish wheel. Sometimes I spend 20 to 30 minutes stress relieving, it just depends on difficult the wheel want to be. they are all different like a child.

I had an employee once who boosted how quick he used to build wheels it did not impress me as it needs to be done right rather done quick.

however that stand that Ergot posted does look nice. £750 though I'll pass I think.

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