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PostPosted: Wed Apr 22, 2015 5:28 am 
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How many of you guys have top end groupsets (ie DA, Red, SR/Record, etc) but do not race? My friend told me it was a waste of money, but some of us just like refined/lightweight components to ride on just for the joy of it. I don't feel the need to justify it to him, but how would you respond to people like him?


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PostPosted: Wed Apr 22, 2015 5:51 am 
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None of us race but I have DA 9070 on my main bike and DA 7900 on my other bike. Eldest son has Sram red and youngest son has DA 9000. Waste of money :?: Well i guess that is open to interpretation...... Do I regret the purchases, not a chance

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PostPosted: Wed Apr 22, 2015 5:54 am 
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You don't have to respond. It's your money, not his :)

If you can afford it , and want it - get it.

Is it wasting money ? Yes :mrgreen:

For double price of 1st tier components in comparison to 2nd, you get about 100-200g less weight ( irrelevant , you (me, most of us ) have more fat to loose ) and basically nothing in performance. In some cases more durability, but 99% of people do not have equipment so long to experience it ;)

If you're buying "top end" to impress anyone - something is wrong with you, if they criticize you because you bought it "just for yourself" - something is wrong with them.

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PostPosted: Wed Apr 22, 2015 6:00 am 
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stormur wrote:

If you're buying "top end" to impress anyone - something is wrong with you, if they criticize you because you bought it "just for yourself" - something is wrong with them.


Yep I reckon this comment about sums it up 8)

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PostPosted: Wed Apr 22, 2015 6:47 am 
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105 is more than enough for recreational cycling but It's your money, do whatever you wish. :D


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PostPosted: Wed Apr 22, 2015 7:25 am 
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I honestly can't stand when people say shit like that about "you don't need this or that". It's some sort of insecurity on their part.


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PostPosted: Wed Apr 22, 2015 8:04 am 
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beanbiken wrote:
stormur wrote:

If you're buying "top end" to impress anyone - something is wrong with you, if they criticize you because you bought it "just for yourself" - something is wrong with them.


Yep I reckon this comment about sums it up 8)



Totally agree and btw. wasn't this board always about admire of top end stuff?


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PostPosted: Wed Apr 22, 2015 8:42 am 
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The 'real' racers, or at least most of those I respect who aren't sponsored and are spending their own money to race, hardly ever race top end components because of the rather high risk of crash damage . most racers I know race with ultegra or force, or sometimes even 105/rival.


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PostPosted: Wed Apr 22, 2015 8:57 am 
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Agree with davidalone. Not racing is more of a reason to use top end. Because it'll stay nicer for longer and is less likely to get damaged.

Personally Dura Ace does work more smoothly than Ultegra, Red does work more smoothly than Force. It may be a 'placebo' effect, but it's an effect.

I don't have data, but in my mind I see more problems with Ultegra and Force than Dura Ace and Red. That could reflect on owners not caring so much and neglecting maintenance...but the opposite could also be that if you buy top level you're more likely to maintain it.

When I raced Force was great. It's not going to cost you a result over Red and it was cheap to replace when something got destroyed or wore out. Now I don't race, Red is nicer so I use it.

I still race cross, I use Force. It gets hammered, it works well enough, it's cheap to replace. If I stopped and just rode the cross bike casually in good weather without the crash risk it'd get Red.

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PostPosted: Wed Apr 22, 2015 9:36 am 
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i don't race now and I ride campag record (plus high end frame and wheels) it adds to the enjoyment i get from my 'hobby'. When I raced and I was buying my own bikes I ran mid level group. If I was to restart racing tody Id be on caad 10 & ultegra/force - works well, cheap to replace.


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PostPosted: Wed Apr 22, 2015 10:18 am 
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I agree this argument has no point. Racing or not has nothing to do with the bikes and components we use. It' s not only what we 'need' that is important. What we want is equally if not more important. We were supposed to have solved these issues since the 60s...

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PostPosted: Wed Apr 22, 2015 10:30 am 
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Can we cyclists, either racer (from 1st to 5 cat) or sunday casual rider, ride what we want, what we like, what we can afford and forget about the critics?
IMHO change your riding pals if they are such tight ass.


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Ride what you like and can afford. I have Red on my road bike and Rival on my cross bike. I enjoy them both. They both work well for their intended purpose. I have enough disposable income that I can ride what I really want to and do. For me life is too short to not ride the best I can afford. I feel the same way about what I eat and drink.

The only racing I will do this year will be gravel road races on my cross bike.

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PostPosted: Wed Apr 22, 2015 12:42 pm 
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5DII wrote:
My friend told me it was a waste of money


going to work to earn money you are not going to spend is a waste of time =)


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PostPosted: Wed Apr 22, 2015 2:41 pm 
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tinozee wrote:
I honestly can't stand when people say shit like that about "you don't need this or that". It's some sort of insecurity on their part.


that makes no sense. if i was building a weight weenie vanity build, i'd go lighweight everything. But for something for day to day usage 105 5800 is all anyone is ever going to need. you genuinely don't need anything more!


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