Tinea Pedis wrote:
spytech - I'm sure you've read the thread, so realise there's a little more to that 'failure' than simply the good old exploding carbon.
But I see what you're saying, failures happy across all brands - big or small.
lets forget about what happened to that frame for a second. if you have two bikes from different brands and/or oem, built by the same people what is the difference? are they intentionally building an inferior product? your buying straight from the factory (almost denfu is a middle man) so the savings are there. you no longer have to pay for support or branding, bike shop profit, etc. so if you cut all that out, what do you have? a $450 fm098 of decent quality. you could by 4 or 5 of these bikes for the price of a single specialized; so there is your crash replacements.
by the way, we do not know what exactly happened to that frame in the picture. all we have is speculation and snapped chain and seat stays. if this had happened to a chinese frame woohoo, field day for people like pez. it would no longer be user error, no speculation needed... we would have reply's like " your a damnfu for buying a dengfu you fool". or something like that. you get the message. i think we need to stop being hypocrites and not apply double standards to same thing.
btw, i was all for paying more money for an iphone that is manufactured in good ole USA. but in realty manufacturing in china allows apple to employ much more people here in USA then if they were making the phone in the states.
i have a lot of respect for mario cipollini and his bikes, making the bikes in italy and calling out the companies that say that they are made in italy but are made in china. btw, in the giro, a cipollini bike broke. so yes, anything can break.
Dengfu is not a middle man. They have their own factory. That's their claim and it's supported by a vid on BR. I assume they produce their own designs but that's a guess. The fact that the same frame models appear to be manufactured by others could be explained by the mould maker or Dengfu selling duplicates to different factories to defray the cost. I note that the FM028 from Miracle Trade is 100 g heavier than the "identical" model from Dengfu. To me that implies a different layup in the same mould not all out of the same factory.