Something to note about Red: The new model with the Yaw FD doesn't have the mushy titanium cage that Red Black had, so it performs about 5800x better.

yep, these show up in the pro tour so i guess they're good enough for the rest of us. aside from some barrel adjustment, i never had to do any major adjustments with mine.

_________________
http://www.roadiemanila.com

You bet I am. Have you ridden 7800? Have you ridden 7900? Now tell me which shifts better even out of the shop. Now ride both in bad weather conditions. You'll be tweaking the cable tension on the 7900 after only a few rides while you wont feel the need to touch the 7800 for months.

Of course that a well maintained 7900group shifts well enough for racing. Thats not my point. My point is its more finicky. Ok it takes 30s to clear the dirt from the cables but why do I have to that to begin with? Again 7800 ... throw it in a mud pit and it still shifts well on end. fewwwwww

_________________
Canyon Ultimate SLX 2013 + DA9070 + Red Quarq + Corima Aero+ MCC (Ordered! 6.0kg)
Canyon AeroRoad + DA9000 + Lightning Power2Max + MCU's (6.5kg)
Cervelo P4 + G3 Powertap (7.78kg)
Cervelo SLC + SRAM Red 2013 + Red Quarq (6.8kg)

I can confirm that I'm on the barrel adjusters quite frequently at the start of a ride with the 7900. But my setup is not pure with the Nokon and Red cassette. This is the case on all my bikes that have Nokon cables, I shall forego them for the next build, to check.

_________________
Bikes: Raceur, Beateur

I rode 7800 for 2 years and 7900 for 2 as well. Biggest difference is the better breaking power for the latter.